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March 11, 2006

LION VS TIGER: Who Will Win In A Fight?

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The tiger is the largest of the cats and is a perfect killing machine with a superior combination of power, cunning and agility. On the other hand, A lion has an appearance to frighten even the mightiest of animals. There have been some real fights between the two kings of the jungle. So, what do the evidences and experts (and common sense) say about who will win a fight between the two, or rather, if there are 100 tiger-lion fights which one will have more victories?

Tiger Fights Lion

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The image below gives a vivid comparison of apparent and actual size of these felines. The image is self-explanatory. There are some links to video in this post where, when a lion stands near a tiger, you can have a good comparative view that conforms with the image here. The vidoes and this image clearly explain why a lion looks bigger even though an average Bengal tiger is actually bigger than an average African lion. The tiger being shown here is most probably an IndoChinese one (going by the color and stripes). Bengal/Siberian tigers are even bigger. (Photo taken from www.icebin.net)

Lion Tiger Size Comparison

Another size comparison image, taken from National Geographic:

Tiger and Lion

This image compares a 6′ man with a lion (without the mane), a Bengal tiger and a Siberian tiger. Even though it is from National Geographic, I’d say it definitely exaggerates the size of the Siberian tiger!

Here are more size comparisons from National Geographic (clock-wise from top-left: Polar Bear, Brown Bear, Black Bear and Grizzly). Notice that, Grizzly bear has been considered as separate from Brown bear and the Grizzly and Black Bear images are actually the same!

Polar bear, brown bear, grizzly and black bear

If these size comparisons from National Geographic are to be believed, even a Grizzly doesn’t stand a chance against a Siberian tiger, let alone an African lion!

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THE KING OF BEASTS:

Majestic Lion

Lion is known to be the King of Beasts across most cultures of the world. This is mostly because of a lion’s appearance and partly because of the social structure of a pride and the lion’s role in the pride. A lion does possess a royal look and attitude. Add to that a tremendous roar that can be heard over miles on the Savannah. Also, living in a pride, a lion doesn’t need to hide itself or avoid any other animals including human beings. A lions lives in the open and controls its territory like a true king, sporting a ‘kingly’ mane and heading a pride that feeds him. The Bible of the Christians and the Geeta of the Hindus both mention the lion as the king of the beasts. So it has got accepted as a sign of royalty all over the world from as early as the Roman empire. Have a look at this magnificent lion (Shambala zoo).

Vital Statistics:
[There are a lot of variation in the figures found online. I tried to collect them from reputed instituion and/or govt sources]

  • Largest Lion in captivity: 806 lbs (366 kg)
  • Largest Lion found in the wild: 702 lbs (318 kg) and 11′ (3.35 m)
  • Average size (mode) of African Lion: 410 lbs (186 kg) and 8′10″ (2.7 m)
  • ** Lions stand around 1.15m (including mane) at shoulder as opposed to 1m of a tiger **

The King of The Kings:
When you think of a lion, you think of an African lion. The Asiatic ones are somewhat smaller in size and relatively unknown living in the tiger country. There is no significant variation in size among the African lions. In some online forums it is claimed that Ngorongoro Crater lions are the largest sub-specis of lions. But there is no base to that claim.. The Tsavo lions are generally considered more aggressive, but they are naturally maneless.
Choice: African lion (with mane).

Relative advantages over a tiger:

  1. Thick protective mane. It also makes a lion look much bigger, heavier and taller than it really is. This is of immediate psychological disadvantage to any animal fighting a lion. It’s downright scary to see a lion coming towards you roaring. A lioness, even if it were of similar size, wouldn’t inspire as much awe. From the fight videos, it does seem that the mane is of huge advantage to the lion. In the only fight-video of a maneless (shaved) lion, the lion seemed too easy to beat by the tiger. The mane is the biggest weapon for a lion – both for defence and for scaring off the opponent.
  2. More massively built shoulders. Both the cats have extremely powerful and muscular ’shoulders’ and forelimbs.
  3. Taller structure. This makes the lion more intimidating. Also, this somewhat compensates for the weaker hindquarters.
    Here’s a very good video showcasing lions.

________________________________________________ THE AMBUSH KILLER:

 Royal Bengal Tiger

Living largely secretive life and attacking preys using stealth, cunning and agility, a tiger is mostly considered a villain (like Sher Khan in Kipling’s Jungle Book). Moreover, the man-eaters in India have further maligned the image of a tiger. Not much is still known about the lives of the tigers in the wild and hence a lot of the information considered as ‘facts’ about tigers are merely informed guesses. Since the chance of encountering a tiger in the wild is way less than the chance of encountering a wild lion, a lot of data about tigers reflect either only a small population of them, or are based on indirect studies, or both. Also, a tiger’s unwillingness to fight without necessity has often been seen as lack of courage and aggression. Look at these majestic Bengal tigers.

Vital Statistics:
[There are a lot of variation in the figures found online. I tried to collect them from reputed instituion and/or govt sources]

  • Largest Siberian Tiger found in the wild : 845 lbs/ 384 kg.
  • Longest Siberian Tiger found in the wild: 12′9″/ 3.9 m
  • Largest Bengal Tiger found in the wild: 857 lbs/ 389 kg. 3.22 m 10 ft 7 in between pegs (3.37 m 11ft over the curves)
  • (The largest tiger ever held in captivity, and the heaviest ‘natural big cat’ on record, is a nine-year-old male Siberian named ‘Jaipur’, owned by animal trainer Joan Byron-Marasek of Clarksburg, New Jersey, USA. This tiger measured 3.32 m 10 ft 11in in total length and weiged 423 kg 932 lb in October 1986)
  • Average size (mode) of Siberian Tigers living in the wild: 550 lbs (250 kg) and 11′/ 3.35 m
  • Average size (mode) of Bengal Tigers living in the wild: 500 lbs (227 kg) and 9′6″/ 2.9 m (Bengal tigers have a slightly shorter tail than the Siberians)
  • ** The Bengal Tigers have the longest canines **
  • The Greatest Cat:
    Tigers vary in size as well as in aggressiveness (supposedly, at least), not only across different sub-species but also depending on the region they inhabit. Bengal tigers found in Nepal, Bhutan and in Assam, Uttaranchal & West Bengal (Northern part) states in India (collectively, the tigers of the Terrai and Duars) are larger than Bengal tigers found in Sunderbans and Rajasthan. The Sumatran tigers are supposedly the fiercest but they are the smallest sub-species of tigers. The Siberian tigesr are the biggest, but considered to be less agile and less aggressive than a Bengal tiger. The Bengal tigers are most widely touted as the most skillful and overall best breed of tigers – nearly as big (male ~230 Kg, ~3 m) as the Siberian ones but much more fierce, agile and strong. The Bengal tigers of the Terrai are often bigger than average Siberian tigers (Update on Aug 4, 2007: I’ve found this in many a trustworthy source that the Bengals are now considered larger than the Siberians).
    Choice: Bengal/Siberian Tiger.

    Relative Advantages Over a Lion:

    1. Longer and often larger size. Now this is often posed by the people who pick a tiger to win, as a serious threat to a lion. A larger yet more agile body of a tiger is really a serious threat to a lion. But this alone can not be a decisive factor.
    2. More powerful back legs. This helps a tiger to leap more, to spring from a disadvantageous position and to make sudden moves. This is of tremendous advantage to the tiger. This gives the tiger the ability to rest its weight on the hind legs and make swipes with both of the front legs. Plus, the strong hindquarters allow them to attack from the side and spring from unexpected/disadvantageous corners. Moreover, a tiger makes faster swipes than a lion. Tigers are more agile than lions.
    3. Skills of ambush attacking, tree-climbing, swimming etc are handy if the going gets tough. Plus, tigers are faster runners. These are all defence mechanisms for a tiger just as the mane is for a lion.
    4. Longer canines, longer claws and larger paws. These are the ultimate weapons of a cat. Tigers have considerable advantage here.
      And here’s a video showcasing tigers. And I found this video to be very interesting. Here is more of Siberian tigers.

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    Myths About (and Against) Lions and Tigers:

    Myth 1: [The lion has a stronger forequarter] The fact is, the lion has slightly more massively built shoulders and the tiger has more developed legs. Overall a tiger is more massively built than a lion. Even pound for pound, a tiger has anatomy-advantage over a lion in the forequarters.

    Myth 2: [The tiger hunts larger preys] The fact is, both these cats generally hunt similar sized preys (the size of wildebeast) and both these cats may go for larger preys once in a while. In some areas, these cats get ’specialized’ in hunting certain kinds of preys. In Nagarahole National Park in India, the tigers prefer to hunt the large gaurs.

    Myth 3: [The lion has more bite force] The fact is, pound for ponud, a tiger has more bite force qutient, though the difference is not huge.

    Myth 4: [Tigers are more ferocious] The fact is, There has never been such a claim by any scientist or noted animal observer. This is a bizare claim with no base. Both these animals show similar ferocity (of course, ferocity is not quantifiable) when drawn into a fight.

    Myth 5: [Lions have larger heads] The fact is, an average lion has (surprisingly) the same size of head as an average Bengal/Siberian/Indochinese tiger. The tiger’s head is just a little wider and shorter, allowing it to have more bite force.

    Myth 6: [Lions just fight and tigers just hunt] The fact is, nomadic male lions hunt regularly and skillfully. Even resident male lions hunt sometimes. On the other hand, tigers fight, often to death, with other tigers. Tigers fight fairly often, so much so that around 30% of tiger deaths (for Bengal tigers) occur due to territorial fights. Also, tigers fight with leopards, bears, wild dogs, elephants etc. Most of the tiger vs tiger and lion vs lion fights end after one combatant escapes while some fights in both the cases may result in severe injury or death.

    Myth 7: [The lion has better fighting techniques] The fact is, the tiger shows better ’skills’ of fighting. It can swipe much faster than a lion, can use both the front legs at the same time for making swipes, is faster and more agile than the lion.

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    THE LIKELY WINNER

    Captive animals:
    Captive animals often behave differently than the wild ones. In a fight between captive animals, a tiger will have the advantage of size and power. A captive lion will lack the fighting experience of a wild one.

    Let’s now talk about ‘wild’ animals, ie, both the animals are at their prime and have been captured fresh from their natural habitat and are in good natural condition.

    In small pit/cage:
    Lion
    will have a slender advantage if the fight is in a small closed area since it may get the benefit of taller structure and the mane and the tiger may feel the lack of space. Agility may not be a big factor. But it may really depend on the size of the respective animal. If the tiger is significantly larger than the lion, the lion may not get a chance to do much harm to the tiger.

    In a large area (forest/grassland or even a large ‘cage’):
    Tiger
    may win easily. The stronger hindquarters come into play here. It helps to keep balance and make fast movements.
    If the two animals are ignorant of each other’s presence at the begining, it will really be a tiger’s game. Siberian tigers are sometimes reported to predate on female/young brown bears. The female bears may be larger than the tigers and as aggressive as the male ones. But the tiger stalks the bears and then and hunts them. In a similar way, if a tiger and a lion are released in a forest/grassland, a tiger’s stealth-attacks may be decisive.

    Why The Tiger Has a Better Chance of Winning:

    There is a popular notion that a lion is meant for fighting whereas a tiger is meant for hunting and hence a lion will win in a tiger-lion fight. Some people mention that like a pitbull can own larger dogs, a lion can defeat a tiger since, like the pitbull, the lion is meant to be a fighter. This is a bad comparison. That a lion plays the role of a fighter in a pride doesn’t make the tiger a non-fighter and just a predator. A tiger predates AND fights. And that’s why they are way more active than lions. Over their lifespan, a lion fights other lions less than ten times. This may be well less than the number of tiger-fights a tiger has to face over food/mating/territory. A lion may have to fight off hyenas, too. A tiger, on the other hand, fights with leopards, wolves, dholes and black/brown bears over food/territory.

    The ’strength’ analysis is of course an ideal one. A lot of them may prove to be invalid in real fights. Most of the ‘documents’, ‘eye-witness accounts’ and vidoes (though most of them are manipulated to suit the story of movies) show that there is more chance of a tiger winning the fight than a lion winning it. It seems that a tiger might be reluctant to fight at first. But if compelled to, it’s a much better and more powerful fighter than a lion.

    Size does matter. An average Bengal/Siberian tiger measures 10 feet and 500 lbs. Can measure up to 11 feet and ~620 lbs. Lions average 9 feet and 410 lbs. Can grow as large as 10 feet and 530 lbs. (Not considering the more extreme cases for either cat). Clearly, tigers have an advantage. Additionally, the build of a tiger provides much more balance and agility. The weight of a tiger is more evenly distributed over its body-length than that of a lion. A tiger’s tail, being heavier compared to a lion’s, makes it easier for the tiger to turn. And if the animal with larger size also has greater agility, it’s the one that should win more fights. Add to that the advantages of bigger paws, faster swipes and longer canines!

    An African lion, hailing from a place where it doesn’t get much competition from other animals, attacks from the word ‘go’. On the other hand, a tiger, coming from places where it fights bears, wild dogs etc, assesses the situation first and then goes for the kill. (Ok, lions, too, live alongside wild dogs. But they don’t clash much since lions live in prides. For the same reason, lions rarely fight leopards). For this reason, some animal trainers and experts have mentioned the tiger as an intelligent boxer. Additionally, the Bengal tigers are widely considered as being extremely aggressive when drawn into a fight.

    In 100 fights between the two in any natural setting and in non-extreme climate, I’d bet a Bengal tiger will own an African lion 80 times provided there is no bias in choosing the animals. I’d expect an average Bengal tiger of the Terrai (see above) with 530 lbs and 10′, to make a short work of an average South African lion (~410 lbs and 8.5′). Even pound for pound, a tiger is stronger. If it’s a smaller-than-average Bengal tiger, with size and wight similar to the lion’s, it should be 70-30 in favor of the tiger.

    Overall, there may be very few really big and aggressive lions that may defeat a Bengal/Siberian tiger, but on an average a tiger will win against a lion almost everytime.

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    REFERENCES AND LINKS TO VIDOES AND INFORMATION:

    From Wikipedia Discussions:

    Wikipedia, being a relatively open body of knowledge and fed by contributions of a lot of informed people (and a lot of morons, too),  tend to have more-or-less unbiased information. I’ve found some interesting discussion there (Wikipedia Talk) about tigers and lions. These are mainly about size comparison and the following types of animal interactions. While these don’t necessarily say anything about about fighting skills of either lion or tiger, they go on to show how immensely powerful the tiger is.

    Tiger/Lion and Rhino: There are evidences that tigers in the North and East India kill rhinos, even though rarely. But no lion has been known to have killed a rhino. Not even a lion pride. But this is not a good comparison of strength. It surely goes on to say that the tigers must be super-strong, but it can’t discredit the lion for not attacking a rhino. The African rhinos have longer and sharper horns and may grow bigger than the Indian ones. Here’s a WWF report on two orphan rhino calves whose mother has been killed by a tiger. Here’s a report saying that three rhinos have been killed by tiger(s).

    Tiger/Lion and Elephant: The Indian elephants avoid tigers. Elephants are known to be attacked by tigers, even though rarely. One single tiger can kill a bull elephant. While it’s true that one single lion can not kill a bull elephant, we need to see the difference in elephants. The African elephants are much larger than the Indian ones and have longer tasks. A bull African elephant is around 1.5 times in weight compared to an Indian one. Here’s a Yahoo!News article about how a bull elephant died after getting injured by a Bengal tigress. One of the most viewed videos online is a small clip where a tiger attacks the person sitting on an elephant. Notice how the tiger completely ignores the elephant!

    Tiger/Lion and Buffalo: The tiger wins a point here. It’s extremely rare for a single lion to take down a Cape Buffalo. The tigers frequently prey on Gaur and Asian Water Buffalo, both of which are much bigger than the Cape Buffalo. The Gaur is the largest of the major species of wild oxen and has a superb muscular built. It can stand more than 6′ at shoulder and weigh more than a ton. This journal paper by John Singh indicates that Gaur falls into regular prey category of tigers. A Gaur had reportedly been killed and dragged by a tiger whereas 13 men could not move the carcass!

     

     

     

    1. A collage of nearly all the fight videos available online for free. 
    2. A nice video collage showing lion-tiger interaction. It’s a good resource for getting idea of size comparison, fighting technique and attitude. There is no ‘fight’ as such in this video. Just some small conflicts.
    3. A ‘funny’ video of lion vs tiger. There are some interesting sequences including a small one where a tiger has been attacked by three lions. Like the last one, this is not a ‘fight’ video.
    4. Video showing a one-to-one fight between a lion and an equal-sized tiger . It is taken from a movie, but the fight is real. There seems to be distinct rounds in the fight (:-p). Round 1: Tiger wins. Round 2: Lion wins. Round 3: Tiger wins. Unfinished Round 4: Tiger had clear advantage before water cannon was used to stop the fight. It’s mentioned elsewhere that the tiger had killed the lion. That seems reasonable.
    5. Another lion vs tiger video from a movie (Jungle Jim). It has been edited to suit the sequence of the movie where the lion is supposed to kill the tiger. So, a fight has been shown and then, abruptly, a sleeping (‘dead’ in the movie) tiger is shown in the next scene. The beasts seemed evenly matched and both had some slender advantage at some point in the fight. The lion is fully grown (see the mane). The tiger is either young, or a female, or Sumatran – going by the size.
    6. Some clips from Everland
    7. Korean pit-fight video on a fight between a tiger and a shaved lion. Not a very clear one, but seems like the tiger was dominating throughout the fight.
    8. A collection of some of the videos mentioned here, declaring the tiger as the ‘true king’. In one part of the clip, there is a sequence where a tiger kills a lion.
    9. A wealth of lion-vs-tiger videos from YouTube. The members of the LeoTigrisElite try to collect and upload relevant videos on YouTube. I shall keep putting those links here as and when I find something new there.
    10. Video showing that a tigress killed a leopard
    11. Small video clips of Siberian, Bengal and Sumatran tigers 
    12. A lion vs black bear fight in which there is no clear winner. The lion (a shaved one) dominated the fight and landed some good punches and bites on the bear, but the bear didn’t lose any bit of aggressiveness. Even when the lion wanted to rest a bit, the bear followed him and attacked relentlessly till the point when either of them could not carry it on any longer. One important thing here is that even a lion is much faster than a bear. The bear-swipes seemed as if in slow-motion compared to the lion-swipes.
    13. A pit fight between a bull and a lion. The lion got humiliated.
    14. A lion vs lion fight video.
    15. A video of a fight between a tiger and a fairly large (~11′) croc. Tiger kills the croc
    16. A video of a classic hyena vs lion fight. A group of lionesses kill a wildbeast in the night and the hyenas claim it by forcing the lionesses to retreat. ‘The next morning’ a lion comes and kills a hyena (wonder where he was hiding ‘the previous night’!).
    17. Baffled lion and mad man. And here’s an experiment with a lion.
    18. Lions kill and eat a man (**very disturbing**).
    19. A wounded lion tries to fight back against hunters.
    20. The African King is dead.
    21. Look at the braveheart! A lion got scared by the roar of another animal (probably a jaguar shown in the begining of the video clip).

    Other Related Stuff:

    1. This PBS website says that tigers have won in most of the fights against lions. 
    2. A photo showing “a lion slaps on the face of a tiger as they fight for the control of a pool at a zoo in Nanjing, east China’s Jiangsu province July 18, 2004. The lion finally occupied the cool water of the pool in the summer heat wave after it defeated its challenger in two minutes.” A fight for a pool is really trivial. Some videos mentioned in the Online Video section show tigers displacing lions for vantage sitting spots. One tiger has been shown to displace five lionesses. These are no evidence of fight.
    3. The best fight in the animal kingdom would be a fight between a Barbery lion and a Siberian tiger. A supposed newspaper report suggets that such a fight had happened and the tiger had killed the lion.
    4. A supposed news report of lion vs bulldog fights. The first lion gets wounded, the second one settles the score.
    5. Debate among some stubborn supporters of either group, and some links to videos
    6. Discovery channel even used to sell a video of a tiger-vs-lion comaparison at a high price. (It puts the fight as “close”. “Northern India, where the last population of Asiatic lions lives only 200 miles away from the nearest group of tigers, is the setting for this catfight. Anatomist Dr. Frank Mendel shows that there is almost no anatomical difference between the two rulers of the jungle. The tiger has a slight weight advantage, but the lion, with its imposing mane, could have the psychological edge. And while the simulation team tries to account for differing hunting tactics – tigers hunt alone, while lions usually hunt and fight in groups – even lion expert Sam Stephens and tiger trainer Dave Salmoni agree on one thing: Same jaws, same paws, same claws will make for a close fight.” Not surprisingly, the ones who have seen the video on TV/DVD, have arguments in the website, too and made comments like “Lions are truly King of all beasts. Long live the King!” and “Seriously guys, learn your facts. The Tiger would have totaly tore. the lion appart”)
    7. An article claiming that an Indochinese tiger, a male, killed a Bengal tigress “in the blink of an eye”
    8. A poll on BigCats.com where Tiger wins handsomely
    9. Some good points raised in this forum.
    10. And, here is a Liger. Officially the largest cat in the world with 400 Kg and 4 m
    11. Discovery Channel Animal Face-Off simulation results (I trust Discovery Channel to support populist views without giving a damn to truth/logic. A lot of these so-called simulations are plain ridiculous. These might have been made for typical low-IQ rumor-fed people):
      Great White Shark beats Saltwater Crocodile (Video Link)
      Elephant beats Rhinoceros (Video Link)
      Lion beats Tiger. Watch it. As funny as it can be! They made the simulation, and they ‘analyzed’ that, too! Like a lot of video clips taken from movies where a tiger or a lion is suddenly shown as dead, this simulation ends abruptly. For most part, it seems a courtship simulation rather than a fight. Also, Discovery Channel is known to keep their viewers’ bias in mind. When they are catering mainly to North American people, they *must* show that a lion wins. Otherwise they will lose ‘credibility’.
      Hippo beats Bull Shark (Video Link)
      Cougar beats Wolf (Video Link)
      Walrus beats Polar Bear (Video Link). Watch this video, too.
      Grizzly Bear beats Siberian Tiger (video Link)
      Nile Crocodile beats Lion (Video Link)
      Anaconda beats Jaguar (Video Link)
      Gorilla beats Leopard (Video Link)
      Black Bear beats American Alligator (Video Link)
      Sperm whale beats colossal squid (Video Link)

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    DISCLAIMERS:
    1. Some links may not work since I don't have any control over the linked pages
    2. Some images posted here may be copyrighted. The copyright remains with the original publisher. If notified, I shall remove those images.
    3. There are people who claim "this is sick mentality to talk 'bout animal fights" are just epitomizing prudery. Stop Bull-fighting, where a bull is slowly killed by by a man. Then criticize the discussion on a nearly even fight like a lion vs tiger one.
    4. I have no intention of demeaning the author of the Lairweb by saying s/he's biased. It's just that his/her approach seems to be - having a conclusion first (Grizzly > Lion > Tiger), and then trying to show partial evidence to support that! Other than that, s/he has done an AWESOME job!
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    3,603 Comments »

    1. both r equal so there is no doubt
      no one is winner n noone losing the fight

      but agar bet lagani hi hain toh i”ll put money on LION:DDDD

      my net taking time to open tht links :( ((((((((

      Comment by megs — March 12, 2006 @ 12:06 pm

    2. chalo, ab bet barabar hai. My bet is on tiger. and since I’ve never lost a bet, I WIN :-)

      Comment by Raja — March 12, 2006 @ 3:25 pm

    3. i bet on Lion

      *Tiger do not dare to fight lions..probably becoz lion looks bigger.
      *lioness hunt lion feats
      *simulation results are acceptable

      raja u just lost the bet :D

      Comment by Voice — March 12, 2006 @ 4:19 pm

    4. @Bhav:
      1. look @ the videos
      2. Tigers predate and fight, lions only fight
      3. Simulation results are always biased

      now it’s 2-2
      (each time I cast my vote, it’s counted as a new valid vote :-p)

      Comment by Raja — March 12, 2006 @ 4:27 pm

    5. ha ha ha 2 votes in favour of lion 1 in tiger

      lion is leading [8)]

      Comment by megs — March 12, 2006 @ 4:47 pm

    6. The biggest Siberian tigers and African lions are about the same size, and there is controversy about which is the larger. The largest wild lion on record, found in South Africa, weighed 313 kilograms (688 pounds). A wild Siberian tiger weighed 384 kilograms (845 pounds). The trouble is that very few wild lions or tigers have been weighed, and weights can vary substantially depending on whether the cat has just fully fed or has an empty belly.
      ref#http://animal.discovery.com/fansites/wildkingdom/greatcats/expert/expert_1.html

      i did some research no definite conclusion … added the above for adding some few kgs to ur tiger n lion.
      from a survey it was evident that more people think that tiger will win. but still i will go with the simulation… log to kuchh bhi bolte rehte hai.

      Comment by Voice — March 13, 2006 @ 4:42 am

    7. @Megs:
      as I said, score is 2-2 now :-p

      @Bhav:
      1. it’s better to deal with averages than some abnormal ‘biggest’ or ’smallest’ data
      2. the huge weight of Siberian/Amur tiger has a large contribution from the thick fat below the skin which protects them from biting cold.
      3. the fully-fed thing is ridiculous. check National Geographic site to find out why. this is not to say anything against ur research
      4. forget ’bout speculations, the historic resords and videos give the tiger a slight better score

      Comment by Raja — March 13, 2006 @ 4:54 am

    8. good work!
      I love lions (singh, u c)
      but since most of the ppl are betting on lions, I’ll go for tigers :-p

      Comment by Kanu — March 13, 2006 @ 1:57 pm

    9. Kanu, I’ve already counted your vote :-p

      Comment by Raja — March 13, 2006 @ 8:09 pm

    10. waah! woh kaise?

      Comment by Kanu — March 14, 2006 @ 3:46 am

    11. My bet on lion

      cos i love lions ..
      i think they look more sofisticated then tiger ..
      no doubt they have their own quality but lion looks like RAJA .. n i like raja :P

      Comment by Chitra — March 14, 2006 @ 5:06 am

    12. I guess Lion would win :)

      Comment by mohan — March 14, 2006 @ 7:38 pm

    13. hai allah!
      other than Bhav, myself and Kanu, there r no sensible person. ppl just guessing!! and, Deeps, if u like Raja, do as Raja is doing :-)

      Comment by Raja — March 14, 2006 @ 7:46 pm

    14. :o
      :o

      Comment by megs — March 14, 2006 @ 8:13 pm

    15. which one;s u?

      Comment by phoenix — March 22, 2006 @ 3:57 am

    16. I’m tiger B-)
      Alone and independent

      Comment by Raja — March 22, 2006 @ 4:06 am

    17. Male Lions are Lazy Freeloaders and rarely even fight. All tigers are hunters. In the wild I would see a Tiger stealthing up and attacking the Lion and winning because of FAR FAR more agility and stamina. In a cage fight the Lion clearly has the advantage but seems to Draw or lose in the videos, then again a Tiger may run away in the wild. Lions are naturally a more dominate figure due to their mane. Grizzly bears would beat both animals.

      Comment by Cody — May 11, 2006 @ 7:53 pm

    18. The tiger is today the greatest feline, but the lion is the feline greater than it has never existed.

      The cave lion is a subspecies of lion (Panthera leo spelaea) verified genetically. The cave lion weight 400 kg (900Lb)

      http://blog.ameba.jp/user_images/72/bd/10006042080.jpg
      Here is an image of the cave lion comparing it with an Asiatic lion (Panthera leo persica) that weighs 190 kg.

      I sorry. I’m Latin. I don´t speak english.

      Comment by Golden Bear — May 13, 2006 @ 1:14 am

    19. Thanks Cody and Bear for visiting this blog, and thanks again for making sensible comments

      Comment by Raja — May 13, 2006 @ 2:14 am

    20. Ok
      http://media.putfile.com/jungle-jim-lion-tiger-fight
      There is a lion victory, and a male tiger loss
      Put pause in the second 43 and you see “she” have balls!!!
      Claudia1980 lies!!!
      Finally, the male tiger flees

      Comment by Golden Bear — May 13, 2006 @ 3:27 am

    21. Thanks Golden Bear, for clarifying it

      Comment by Raja — May 13, 2006 @ 3:35 am

    22. LION WINS

      Comment by jERRY — May 14, 2006 @ 2:58 am

    23. You seem to be quite a well versed man in animal strengths and weaknesses. May I make a request? I would very much appreciate it if you could make the same comparative analysis on the Gray wolf and the Spotted Hyena.
      http://z13.invisionfree.com/animalelite/index.php?showtopic=54
      This website just goes to show how undecided both factions are.

      Comment by Sam — May 14, 2006 @ 12:45 pm

    24. Thanks for visiting my blog.

      I did the Lion-Tiger thing out of my own interest. I don’t quite find interest in a wolf-vs-hyena thing

      Comment by Raja — May 14, 2006 @ 2:12 pm

    25. “Tiger, at anywhere else. In a forest/swamp, I’ll pick the tiger to win hands down. Even in Savanna, a tiger might win since a lion tires more quickly. Also, the tiger may escape and strike back courtesy more stamina and higher speed.”

      In a face off terrain will not influence a fight. Lions are fighters, they spend hours and hours fighting throughout their lives, and yet you say they will tire quicker. If you note lion behaviour when in combative situations, you would have noticed that they do not tire as quicky as you state, many lion on lion encounters last for days with frequent fights, as the intruding male try their hand at taking over the pride. So i would say that the point you make about lion tiring quicker is false, it would not effect the outcome.

      “Also, the tiger may escape and strike back courtesy more stamina and higher speed.”"

      Looking at both cats hunting techniques you can notice a clear cut difference in hunting styles, the tiger ambushes its prey, and relys on pouncing and stealth,also the climate and terrian that tigers live in, is naturally dense with bush,making stamina not that important when hunting.

      The lion on the other hand is a plain hunter, it does rely on speed more than it does stealth, though both do play a big role. So the lion is naturally allot fitter, so it would have higher stamina levels if a comparison were to be made.

      The tiger being more agile is generally accepted, but its not huge factor.

      “Skills of ambush attacking, tree-climbing, swimming and predating in swamps”

      How would this benifit the tiger in a fight with a forreign cat?

      Comment by James — May 15, 2006 @ 12:59 am

    26. You have raised valid points, James.

      Here’s what my take was/is (from reading National Geographic magazines, mainly):
      1. Two lions may fight for a long time overall, but they do so in a series of small fights, since they tire quickly. Tigers being much more territorial, would fight with another more intensely and without a break till one concedes defeat.
      2. Contrary to what you’ve mentioned, a lion is not generally a hunter (particularly when in a pride).
      3. As regards speed, I’ve found it from various sources that a Bengal tiger averages 45 mph whereas a lion would average 35 mph
      4. Ambush attacking etc would come into picture for a fight in a thick forest. tree-climbling may help a tiger escape.
      5. Stamina is of huge importance to a tiger. It generally has to carry massive dead prey a long distance amidst thick forest and in maddening humidity

      Comment by Raja — May 15, 2006 @ 4:13 am

    27. “1. Two lions may fight for a long time overall, but they do so in a series of small fights, since they tire quickly. Tigers being much more territorial, would fight with another more intensely and without a break till one concedes defeat.”

      Im from South Africa, i have personally seen male lions fighting hours on end, through the heat of the day, without tiring fast at all. They faught continuesly having short 3-5 minute breaks, until othen one tired and was killed. And hours had past, i know from experience and through what i have read, they do not tire as quickly as you say.

      “2. Contrary to what you’ve mentioned, a lion is not generally a hunter (particularly when in a pride).”

      Yeah sure, but im talking about lions in general, as a species….
      Male lions do hunt less than the females, having a lower success rate.
      But all male lions are and were solitary at one point or another, before joining prides, so they would be able to hunt and they would use the same hunting techniques. Seeing a solitary male lion taking down a springbok shows they do have great ability in hunting when it is needed.

      “3. As regards speed, I’ve found it from various sources that a Bengal tiger averages 45 mph whereas a lion would average 35 mph”

      I never said the lion was faster, i said it relied on speed more than the tiger does.
      This has the lion at 50mph:
      http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004737.html
      “Lion clocked in at 50Mph.”
      This site has them roughly the same speed:
      Lion/Tiger-15-17 m/s
      http://www-static.cc.gatech.edu/~idris/Movie_Reviews/Reality_of_Running_Away.html

      I do also think the tiger slightly faster than the lion, but not by much.

      “4. Ambush attacking etc would come into picture for a fight in a thick forest. tree-climbling may help a tiger escape.”

      A fair fight would have neither at a advantage, which would mean no surroundings, as natural fights between these animals have rarely ever happened. How would the larger african lion ever meet a bengal in the wild? The fight would have to be staged, which would mean sorrounding would not play a part. If whichever cat ambushed the other, would most likely win. That scenario of either cat ambushing is un-realistic in my eyes.

      “5. Stamina is of huge importance to a tiger. It generally has to carry massive dead prey a long distance amidst thick forest and in maddening humidity”

      Throughout all my research on this topic, i have never seen the tiger as a cat with allot of stamina. More a cat with great agility, stealth and great leaping power, as i said terrain suits the tigers hunting tecniques, abushing, short bursts of speed are needed, not stamina. Male Lions can drag up tp a 600kg carcass by themelves over some distance, temperatures peaking at around 45degrees centigrade. Heat or humidity really does not have anything to do with stamina, lion hunts require much longer sprints needing to cover open ground as fast as possible.

      As i said:
      Looking at both cats hunting techniques you can notice a clear cut difference in hunting styles, the tiger ambushes its prey, and relys on pouncing and stealth,also the climate and terrian that tigers live in, is naturally dense with bush,making stamina not that important when hunting.

      The lion would have higher stamina levels.
      Nice talking with you Raja:)

      Comment by James — May 15, 2006 @ 6:07 pm

    28. Ok, here are my last few cents :) :
      My study was mostly from National Geographic, and then various web sites which seem to be giving authentic data. So I generally put greater importance to what I say on this topic than what others say (of course you are different. You have logic, information and rationale).
      From the documented fights (video, witness account, …..), you may see that tigers win such fights more often. Of course, these are not random samples, nor is the sample size large enough. But this may reflect a trend. (I don’t claim to have collected information on ALL documented lion vs tiger fights, though).
      Anyway, nice to know your views :-) :)

      Comment by Raja — May 15, 2006 @ 6:20 pm

    29. Throughout all my research, i have found more historical fights favour the lion.But, knowing that is not proof enough i think, some claims for either cat winning were false or fake, some fights were fixed or biased fight fixers would influence the outcome. Many sites or accounts are not valid.

      I think understanding both cats on a social and behavioural level;and each cats biological designs, is more important than historical outcomes or claims.

      If you want i can email you something i wrote, could prove helpfull, or not:)
      James

      Comment by James — May 15, 2006 @ 8:57 pm

    30. I’d love to go through that. you may mail to raja_indrajit [at] yahoo.com

      Comment by Raja — May 15, 2006 @ 9:20 pm

    31. violent discución here:
      http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=47320&whichpage=2

      Comment by Jesus — May 17, 2006 @ 3:36 am

    32. Thanks a lot for the link, Jesus. I got some useful information/video from there.

      Comment by Raja — May 17, 2006 @ 3:51 am

    33. In a fight between a tiger and a lion ,i surely know’s that the tiger will win,coz it is bigger,powerful, faster and beaten more dangerous animals than lion. Many amurian tigers were known to kill brown bears. the tiger also has better fighting tacnics.

      Comment by sam — May 22, 2006 @ 10:34 am

    34. “Many amurian tigers were known to kill brown bears”
      False, only female bears

      “Tiger predation on bears:

      Tigers generally avoid bears much over 800 lb, but will quite readily predate on sub-600 lb females. This is impressive predation and during fights with the brown bear the tiger gives quite a good account of itself.

      Occasional confrontations with similar weight animals over a kill usually fizzle out after a bit of noise and threatening display.
      Huge grizzly bears:

      However, the 1000 lb plus bear is king here and of a much more ferocious disposition. Two large male tigers were found killed by such animals in the year 2000, which is tragic, if natures way.

      Tigers will usually avoid such a powerful foe, but eventually these huge animals will run into each other. Often the bear is trying to steal the tiger’s kill. The tiger gives a better account of itself in a bear fight than the lion. The bear does not go in for strangulation or nape biting, but uses his paws to rain blows to the head and shoulders. Possibly this removes any advantage of a mane.

      With no experience of bear fighting, a lion would probably be found wanting against such a foe, yet it appears to have great advantage against creatures which go in for blood letting at the throat (such as the tiger).”

      http://www.avph.hpg.ig.com.br/jpg/urso.jpg

      Comment by Jesus — May 23, 2006 @ 1:06 am

    35. i think jesus you dont know tiger powers over bears
      1. they have better vision.bears cant see better.
      2.tigers are experts in ambush fighting.
      3. bears are slow so they cant attack tiger if it is not near
      4.tiger have more leaping power.
      5. you say about bears weight. in a tiger-bear fight the bears weight is his disadvantage. if you wanna face tiger you should be fast.

      Comment by sam — May 23, 2006 @ 12:25 pm

    36. i think the lion would win a fight because how big his teeth are!
      they bite the neck 1st.

      Comment by Terrin — May 23, 2006 @ 9:58 pm

    37. “i think jesus you dont know tiger powers over bears
      1. they have better vision.bears cant see better”….
      The bears have better sense of smell, so the vision is totally irelevent

      “tigers are experts in ambush fighting.”
      Do you think that bushes are important in a fight in Siberia, were is only snow.

      “tiger have more leaping power.”
      And?… a bear slap is twice stronger than a tiger one. A tiger jump can’t affect a bear. Everyone knows that you need seven bullets to kill a bear and only two to kill a tiger.

      “bears are slow so they cant attack tiger if it is not near (…) you say about bears weight. in a tiger-bear fight the bears weight is his disadvantage. if you wanna face tiger you should be fast”
      You don’t know what you’re saying.
      Heaviers animals are more powerful and stronger. Fights between this species happen in winter, when bear try to take tiger’s food, usually the tiger doesn’t fight. In other words, the speed of the tiger is only usefull to run away.

      Comment by Jesus — May 24, 2006 @ 12:36 am

    38. Lion won:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi1cqK9ep_k

      Comment by Jesus — May 24, 2006 @ 3:57 am

    39. the vision is totally revelant.
      false
      tigers claws and canines and even jaw power can over power bear
      the tiger has killer instincts which bears dont have they are primarly plant eaters and dont have the tacnics to fight with aggressive tiger or to catch even a small deer.so how can he defeat tiger. in the summer season of amur area there are bushes. so bear have no place to escape. if a tiger is hungry and starving it will kill any animal. bears ,when eating grass look like a prey to the tiger so he will attack the bear. tiger power e.g.- i tiger and elephant were fighting at kanha national park -india. after some time the park officers founded the elephant dead . for more information about this go to the wikipedia the free encyclopedia

      Comment by sam — May 24, 2006 @ 11:44 am

    40. TIGER IS THE TRUE “KING OF BEASTS’. IT IS WORSHIPPED LIKE GOD IN CHINA.IT HAS A KING SIGN. LIONS ARESHIT OF TIGERS.

      Comment by sam — May 24, 2006 @ 1:14 pm

    41. would you know who will win a fight between two farely matched boxers?
      I think not otherwise you’d be milioners, the same gos for lions and tigers, you cant be sure.
      the tiger will probably win in open area (big advantage in the woods) but the lion would probably win a fight in a small cage.
      but than again it depends on the mood of the two fighters.
      any way a tiger is a much more gracefull animall much more majestic.
      lions r lazy as hell and can become very bum like animalls, this will give the tiger the advantage.
      tiger usually will avoid injury riskking fights, because it hunts alone, but when push comes to shuv, a tiger is a much better killer than a lion.

      Comment by naor — May 24, 2006 @ 11:38 pm

    42. noar you are right,lions are dirty and lazy animals, he is known as the king og the jungle just because of his mane coz there are no hair cutters in lion’s domain coz he eat them for it’s food haaaa haaaaa haaaa haaaa!

      Comment by sam — May 25, 2006 @ 12:32 pm

    43. Some new lion tiger videos are about to be posted. An the male lion being killed.lion fans should take cover.

      Comment by Heads up everyone — May 26, 2006 @ 3:59 pm

    44. Here
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0GB8uo_Yuw&search=one%20tiger%20vs%20lions
      Lion vs Tiger Gir Forrest Longer Version
      Male Asiatic lion ends up killing male Bengal tiger.

      The discussion between an african lion and a sumatran tiger in which the tiger wins is only a pathetic lie, because is the same video “Lion vs Tiger Gir Forrest” and finally lion won.

      Comment by Golden Bear — May 26, 2006 @ 8:55 pm

    45. Here
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0GB8uo_Yuw&search=one%20tiger%20vs%20lions

      Lion vs Tiger Gir Forrest Longer Version
      Male Asiatic lion ends up killing male Bengal tiger.

      The discussion between an african lion and a sumatran tiger in which the tiger wins is only a pathetic lie, because is the same video “Lion vs Tiger Gir Forrest” and finally lion won.

      Comment by Jesus — May 26, 2006 @ 8:58 pm

    46. A Tiger would OWN a lion. Most videos seen here are Female Bengal Tigers vs. male african lions, where the females STILL dominate. whoever *** Edited by Moderator ***..lol.. the lion vs tiger gir forrest longer version is a female sumatran tiger, the smalles tiger… so no.. Tiger ALWAYS win.

      Comment by Knowitall — May 27, 2006 @ 4:23 pm

    47. Female Sumatran tiger…
      Ok, a Sumatran tiger in Gir forest???
      In India a Sumatran tiger!!!
      Sorry but this is another lie

      The report:
      http://www.lionlmb.org/lion/lionvid.html

      Lion-Tiger Fight’, 1930’s, Castle Films (16 mm)
      A short documentary about a fight between a lion and a tiger which occured during an expedition to capture some tigers in the Gir region of India. Typical of documentary/educational films of the time, it explores the background of the event, and the culture of the people involved. B/W, 25 minutes.

      Comment by Jesus — May 27, 2006 @ 4:43 pm

    48. From reading your article I can easily tell that you were biased towards tigers.

      Comment by fayez — May 28, 2006 @ 5:02 am

    49. Watch the film, ‘Jungle jim’ its in black and white but every large fierce animal go head to head, the film is unethical and would be illegal now days, however, due to the period it was made no crime was commited, you can watch a tiger and lion go head to head, its amazing, type lion fight into videogoogle.com….your welcome

      Comment by Amrdeep Singh — May 29, 2006 @ 8:35 am

    50. ur very biased towards the tiger… dont forget that a lion is a superior fighter and they do not fear the tiger whereas the tiger does… and dont say the tiger always wins because of weight advantage its mainly fat anyway due to the harsh conditions of siberia… and by the way where u copied these facts u should read it again because of the facts given by animal experts such as clyde beattie that the lion in a fight with any tiger wouls win… including ur favourite the huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuggggge amur tiger…lol

      Comment by jd — May 29, 2006 @ 3:36 pm

    51. the lion is almost 100% pure muscle whereas the tiger is 70 to 80% muscle and the rest been fat.. i suggest u put the facts right and discuss them,and don’t favour the tiger to much because the lion from day one till now is still the king above any tiger untill a see a video of a any tiger killing the magnificant barbary lion or any lion specie, the barbary lion can weigh as much as the Siberian and is a solitary hunter like the tiger it would make all u tiger biased people fear the lion even more, and accept expert opinions that the lion would win almost every fight, wat else do u want…. the lion as no equal In the cat world when it comes to its fighting abilities….

      Comment by jd — May 29, 2006 @ 4:02 pm

    52. lionfans are in a shitload of trouble this below. You think its something, you aint seen nothing yet….

      [url]http://media.putfile.com/Tiger-owns-male-lion[/url]

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      Comment by ricky — May 29, 2006 @ 6:22 pm

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      ..

      Comment by ricky — May 29, 2006 @ 6:22 pm

    54. there thats better

      http://media.putfile.com/Tiger-owns-male-lion

      http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=80E03B214802C467

      http://media.putfile.com/tiggg

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      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6902311227603109690&q=big+cage

      Comment by ricky — May 29, 2006 @ 6:53 pm

    55. Also heads up the gir forest fight is staged fixed and edited. It was made to counter king of the jungle 1933 where a tiger mauls the lion to death after getting a throat hold. Many of you have seen the bull wooden fence vid with tarzan looking guy in tree dark version. In the same video a tiger mauls a lion to death. The gir forest was not death. Tiger fans have that death video coming as well as a caged fight where the lion gets his back broke.

      Comment by ricky — May 29, 2006 @ 10:30 pm

    56. ZERO EVIDENCE FAVORS THE LION. ANYONE WANT TO PLAY BALL ON SOURCES. BRING IT YOU’LL BE BURIED ALIVE AND HUMILATED. NOTHING FAVORS THE LION IN A FIGHT. AND POSTING INTERNET MADE UP SITES YOULL BE LAUGHED AT. EVERY SOURCE KNOWN TO MAN KING FAVORS THE TIGER.

      Comment by ricky — May 29, 2006 @ 10:31 pm

    57. Also golden bear how can you post a video where a “tigress” yes tigress is used. Infact its not really injured at all, take a look at this video.
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6855604478943965296

      I can tell you from witnessing videos a lion doesnt have a chance. This is a male tiger i might add
      http://media.putfile.com/Tiger-owns-male-lion

      From all the videos ive witnessed a lion has never come close to killing a tiger. I have witnessed a tiger dispose of the myth theory and kill lion with a throat bite. The gir forest fight is full of shit, and there walking as well. At the start of the bs, a tigress and gigantic male tiger. The tigress is the one in the fight. Plus she is not healthy at all. Shes a captive tigress, no tigress in that condition could survive in the wild.

      Comment by ricky — May 29, 2006 @ 10:36 pm

    58. ..obiviously, tigers own lions.. no doubt… whoever argues that should die..

      Comment by Knowitall — May 29, 2006 @ 11:42 pm

    59. tigers IS THE KING OF THE jungle, a fight was happen in the colloseum of to find who is the king of the jungle , and the lion was killed by the north siberian tiger.all vdo’s are false.aspeacialy koreans. The tiger has more stamina. The lions, you say ,fight for hours ,ha ha ha ,cant fight for a long time. lions have the smallest heart of all beasts of prey. But people still say “LION HEART’.

      Comment by sam — May 30, 2006 @ 1:18 pm

    60. FOR MORE INFORMATION LOG ON TO WIKIPEDIA

      Comment by sam — May 30, 2006 @ 1:21 pm

    61. http://media.putfile.com/Tiglr

      Heres a video where a tiger slams the shit out of a male lion. Obiously breaking a few of the lions ribs…

      Comment by ricky — May 31, 2006 @ 1:45 pm

    62. People argue over the most meaningless things. The real question here is who would win between a lion that has a metal exoskeleton, hydraulic jaws, and a mini-gun mounted to his head or a tiger with a high powered plasmatic shield defense system, aircraft-grade aluminum claws, and glowing red eye lasers. My money is on the lion because the mini-gun could wear down the tiger’s defense shield enough for the lion’s hydraulic jaws to get some meat. But the tiger’s eye lasers may be able to warm up the lion’s exoskeletal-armor enough to cook it from the inside out. Of course the atomic squirrel packing 1.32 megaton reactors and advanced microwave gauss cannon would easily kick both their butts along with the 4 square miles directly around the fight. Yea, I went there. Atomic squirrels.

      Comment by Nth — June 2, 2006 @ 8:01 am

    63. *Removed by blog author*

      Comment by sam — June 2, 2006 @ 12:23 pm

    64. I have just seen a video of a tiger killing a lion..wonder if my friends going to release it.

      Comment by Tom — June 2, 2006 @ 12:55 pm

    65. .

      Comment by sam — June 3, 2006 @ 3:15 am

    66. A tiger could only win in an artificial one-on-one cage match. In the wild lions are pack animals, tigers aren’t. A lion pride would rip a tiger apart. So even if the tiger is a better hunter it doesn’t matter; lions still win.

      Don’t disrespect the importance of society as it’s the main reason your ancestors weren’t lion food. Brains over brawn.

      Comment by N — June 4, 2006 @ 3:20 am

    67. tiger is the king of the jungle

      Comment by sam — June 4, 2006 @ 10:07 am

    68. When it comes to the lion/tiger conflict, there are various aspects of both animals that should be taken mind when pondering the question;” Who would win in a fight”.
      Let’s just take a look at what would happen if these animals met in the wild, and not in an enclosed fighting ring.

      Most cats hate the idea of a fight, so thus they resolve their issues with a series of challenges, and both cats would be given the opportunity to back away, they would start of by circling one another and staring one another down, hissing and showing their teeth.
      From this ritual the cats should establish the stronger/ more intimidating cat…therefore on of the cats would have to depart as the loser.

      Tigers, when conflicting one another will always rely on this ritual to establish the dominant cat. But usually the tiger would sort out the issue in a matter of minutes, though this ritual amongst tigers could take hours, and maybe eventually lead to a fight. When male tigers fight over females, the fights are usually allot more serious, and rarely lead to one of the tigers being killed, but such cases have been reported. The reason why tigers would rather avoid a fight is that they are solitary hunters, and can’t afford getting critically wounded, as it would hamper their performance while hunting, and ultimately cripple the tiger so it can’t hunt at all, and ultimately lead to its death. The tiger has a longer body and is more powerful in the hind legs; he has evolved this way for great speed, hunting and extreme leaping power.

      Now let’s look at the Male lions approach to the same situation. If two male lions were to clash, the consequences would be dire. Male lions have absolutely no fear when it comes to fighting one another, they have evolved as fighters. Big males are usually leaders of prides, so when fighting the entire pride is relying on the male to protect them. So with so much at stake, the lion has no option but to fight to the death. But lions have been designed for exactly that purpose,” To fight to the death”. Therefore the male lion spends a great deal of time in combat situations, as the entire prides safety is on the male lions shoulders. That’s why they have evolved with a thick heavy mane for the ultimate protection around the neck area, which would protect it from any lethal attacks. And the other purpose for the mane is to intimidate other males. The larger the mane the more intimidating the lion is to other cats. The male lion has evolved primarily for fighting with a large head and extreme power in the forequarters; therefore this has made him a poor predator.
      But the lion has the backing of an entire pride if he were to get injured in a fighting situation, as the females do the hunting, so the lion would not need to hold back. The tiger would have more at stake in a fight with a lion, as they are solitary hunters they rely on their ability to hunt.
      “Seated next to a tiger, the lion is composed. The tiger on the other hand is usually more nervous and apprehensive, the tiger does not seem to have the lion’s capacity for a calm analysis and appraisal, and this puts him at a disadvantage in a fight with a lion”
      So it a “natural fight”, it would be natural presume that the lion would be at an advantage in a confrontation, and the tiger would normally be the one leaving the fight, thus making the tiger the loser on cats terms.
      In caged fights it is a different story, as neither of the cats can back-away when intimidated, thus both cats would have to fight to the death.

      “There was a great deal of lion and tiger pit fighting held in Korea until 1960. Historic reports say the lion was found very difficult to beat, again due to the head protection afforded by the mane. All reports found, to date, say the lion usually won.”

      “Korean pit fight film”
      “The fight was staged in a caged arena and the tiger is said to have injured the lion’s hind leg. This disabled the animal enough for the tiger to apply a hold to the neck, shake the lion and perhaps break the spine. The tiger suffered some claw and bite marks, but the tiger had seemingly gained the advantage from having administered the leg injury.”

      People mistakably believe that the large size of an Amur tiger [Siberian tiger] means a more aggressive animal, therefore the better fighter. But the fact is that, when it comes to aggression, the amur tiger lacks the ferocity, but its cousin the Bengal tiger has a huge amount of ferocity. Also worth noting is that the amur tiger is slightly longer and heavier than the Bengal Tiger. Much of the Amur tigers extra bulk is fat for warmth, there is fat layer up to 5cm thick on the belly and sides of the amur tiger and a false impression also given by their thicker/longer coat. So allot of the Amur tigers weight is indeed fat, this could indeed explain the weight difference between the amur and the Bengal tiger.

      So for this I would naturally presume the Bengal tiger is by far the best fighter in the tiger species, so this will be the tiger I will be using in my” lion vs tiger” comparisons.

      Tiger
      Head/body length 5feet 10 inches-9 feet 1 inch; tail length: 36 inches.
      Weight: 350-600pounds; shouolder height 3 feet or less; Fur is short and thick.
      Killing bite is delivered to the nape of the neck
      Male African Lion
      Body length may 1.8-2.4 m {6-8ft} long, wit the addition of tufted tail 58-89 cm long.
      Weight: 390-550pounds
      They stand 90cm {3ft} at the shoulder

      Compared to the lion, the tiger is longer and usually heavier, but does not stand as tall at the shoulder. History has documented many fights between lions and tigers; staged and pit fights and both these cats have come out victorious, but the lions seems to come out on top in most cases. As tigers were largely unsuccessful in gladiatorial era. Lions were more popular as they put on an excellent fighting display, as for the tigers; they were surprisingly reluctant to enter into battle. Placed in with lions, the tigers would simply retreat.

      Now lets say the tiger was 500pounds, and the lion is 450 pounds [this is a fair weight advantage, as the tiger is usually heavier].
      Lets look at the cat’s advantages in a fight:
      Lion:
      Mane-Protects it from any lethal blows to the neck/head region. [Tigers killing bite is delivered to the nape of the neck], this is an immediate advantage for the lion in a fight.
      Lion’s strong forequarters for fighting, and its attitude towards fighting in general as lions fight to the death on almost every cat on cat encounter.
      The lion’s appearance is very intimidating towards the tiger, as it stands much taller at the shoulder. The lion’s mane makes it look bigger than it is.
      Tiger:
      The tiger has the weight advantage on general; as it is usually longer and heavier, in this case its 50 pounds; in some cases the weight difference could be bigger.
      The tiger is generally a stronger cat, but you have to remember by nature it is a hunter.
      The subspecies of tiger I have chosen is incredible vicious, and have been know to be ruthless when it comes to a cat on cat confrontation.

      The tiger has no rival as a pure predator; it hates the idea of a fight. As a lone predator, fighting for the tiger is an extremely bad idea. Predation for food should not be confused with ability in battle. It is a common misapprehension that being the better solitary hunter automatically means the tiger will also be a better fighter. This is incorrect as the techniques used and experiences involved are quiet different.

      Tigers have never learnt a technique to counter the lion’s mane, in southern areas of Africa where lions have incredibly thick manes; lions have learnt to attack one another past the mane, and usually at the back of the front leg.

      There are two films recording early lion and tiger fights, one in captivity and the other in the wild.
      “ The first fight took place in a pit, with the entire encounter being recorded”
      “The film showed the tiger was at an immediate disadvantage. Tigers use throat grip as their primary means of killing and the lion’s thick protective mane prevented the tiger gaining a hold on the throat joint. On the other hand, the tiger had no special protection, so it was vulnerable to attack”

      So which is better? Personally, I would say it would be a draw, but the lions having the slight advantage. It is clear that tigers do have victories, but it seems more lion victories have been recorded. Lions do truly have the advantage when it comes to fighting ability and of course the mane. But the Bengal and Siberian tigers have the slight weight advantage, so for all intensive purposes they could cancel each other out. The reason why I think the lion has the advantage and notably more wins is because of the factor of ferocity and naturally the lions fighting experience. As has been pointed out many times; the main job of the make lion is to defend his pride from other male lions, and this would naturally give him more than enough battle experience. However is must be noted that the male tiger has the job of defending its territory from other males, thus this would naturally give him some fighting experience. But tigers are not accustomed to fighting lions that is another advantage the lion has.
      In my personal opinion it would be very hard to determine the average result of such an encounter, you would have to take into account factors from both animals e.g.: weight, aggressiveness and subspecies type. But I do think that the lion would be the usual victor, due to his combative nature, fighting ability and its large mane.
      It seems pretty obvious that there are small numbers of tigers out there, which are superior fighters to the lion, but across the majority of the animals, the lion would probably indeed be the King of the beasts.
      http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/
      http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/conflict.html
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/lion

      Comment by James — June 4, 2006 @ 1:29 pm

    69. “tigers claws and canines and even jaw power can over power bear”

      What?! Wha are you talking about boy?

      Comment by James — June 4, 2006 @ 6:06 pm

    70. JAMES DONT POST KIDS SITE. you only embarrass and lower your own intelligence by posting a lil kid site with not one source to back it up. None of that is true and is disgusting. SO basically you just went ahead and posted no sources just made up bs the common people bs. propaganda. heres sources. WHy people cant understand that no lion on earth can compete with the large male siberian tiger and bengal tigers is beyond me.

      Comment by JAMES DONT POST KIDS SITE — June 5, 2006 @ 3:21 pm

    71. 3)This observation was confirmed more recently in the 1950’s by a keeper in the Bronx Zoo, where a lion cub named Zambezi and a young tiger named Ranee were raised together. There occasional fights always resulted in a victory for the tiger. Alfred Martini, the keeper, described the tiger as being the better fighter, “like a clever boxer against a heavy hitter, shrewder and trickier.” (Mel and Fiona Sunquist, 2002 page 287
      4)“When the ancient Romans set tiger against lion in the Coliseum, the tiger invariably won…” – The Living Edens
      5)“ The lion is a less active animal than the tiger, and apparently not so powerful; in every case of a fight between the two in a menagerie the tiger has invariably killed his opponent.” (Referring to the Asiatic lion) (pg. 212) – Big Game Shooting by Clive Phillipps- Wolley
      6)“In fights between a tiger and a lion in the wild, the tiger is usually the winner. – The Rudiments of Wisdom Encyclopedia by Tim Hunkin
      7)They have accidentally gotten into each otherÂ’s cages, and the tiger has killed the lion. As regard to their comparative courage in the presence of man, all evidence is in favor of the tiger. Yet the poets nearly always insist on having it the other way.
      10)“In the Middle Ages a few lions were kept in European menageries in Germany, England France and Italy. The best known of these early zoological collections was one belonging to Henry I of England that was eventually moved to the Tower of London, where it remained until 1840. Occasionally lions where forced to fight tigers, but apparently the tigers always won.” – Wild Cats of the World by Mel and Fiona Sunquist

      Comment by JAMES DONT POST KIDS SITE — June 5, 2006 @ 3:22 pm

    72. Tigers are actually closer in built to jaguars and smilodon then they are to lions. Even at equal weights, tigers may be substantially stronger and more powerful. Amur tigers in particular, outweigh lions by approximately 20% on average. While Bengal tigers maybe equally matched with lions(maybe 60/40 tiger or in favor of the larger Bengal), Amurs are a whole different story. It’s fair to say that the Amur tiger is truly the king of the cats – no question about it. –Sunquist

      Comment by JAMES DONT POST KIDS SITE — June 5, 2006 @ 3:22 pm

    73. You can choose to ignore the facts, common sence is all you need. I have read upon hundreds of encounter between these two cats, and most experts would go with the lion. Do you really think your summary concludes this discussion, you have addressed non of the facts i have pointed out which are irrefutable.

      Comment by James — June 5, 2006 @ 11:41 pm

    74. James your not seeming to understand. Listen stop the * a man is talking to you. You can have your opinions. But what matters is top of the line sources *. Listen you can blah blah that james. What your not understanding is I have world renowned big cat experts as sources, I have PBS.ORG, do you understand stating lions werent a contest. WHat encounters have you read, angel fire sites, made up lairwebs, tripods. All evidence supports the tiger, all eivdence. Well it's made up *. Provide some expert opinion provide it with a source, provide a real source. THose 8 sources would have anybody with dignity shell shocked. Because you can't match them. You have not address anything. Come with real sources james, and have the source. Do you know what that means. Like I could come with Craig Packer saying he favors the tiger. You understand meaning Craig Packer is my source. You have no source of information. Just words of bs.

      Comment by Fred — June 6, 2006 @ 12:16 am

    75. Seems to be basied tiger fans are here again? Eh snider?

      Comment by Vita — June 6, 2006 @ 12:20 am

    76. Good ol' Vita, a * to the end. Flimbsy non impact maker.

      Comment by Akecheta Pekan — June 6, 2006 @ 12:46 am

    77. Seems to biased pitbull fans are here again? eh Vita? Who arent intelligent enough to not let the kangal get ahead of the pitbull. Wouldn't happen if I was a pitbull fan. But then again * like you don't know what you want biased pitbull fanatic. When in this subject you are meaningless *. OH an that man Snider he isn't biased, he just isn't about to let a kangal over pitbull happen in the public eye.

      Comment by killercougar — June 6, 2006 @ 12:49 am

    78. from historical evidence, media, and sources.
      I would have little to confidence in a male lion against a male tiger.
      None.

      Comment by Terrance — June 6, 2006 @ 1:11 am

    79. It seems most of the radically pro-tiger arguments are all coming from one or two people posting with multiple names. All have the same 6-year-old writing style, bad grammar, worse spelling, coupled with overwhelming arrogance.

      Take Fred’s (aka JAMES DONT POST KIDS SITE) last few posts for example. He rips on James’ sources but doesn’t link to any of his own. The list of “facts” he gives appears to be a direct copy-paste from a post by ‘Royal_leo’ on discovervancouver.com (link below).

      As for the list itself; most are ancient quotes or personal accounts. All except the one from Sunquist can be dismissed as hear-say. The one from Sunquist is itself from an unknown source in relation to Henry I’s zoo. His other quote from Sunquist is Sunquist’s guess to size/strength comparison. To quote, “tigers MAY BE substantially stronger”. May be? He’s being really scientific there. I bet he was wearing a white lab coat and everything. “Amur tigers in particular, outweigh lions by approximately 20% on average.” A tiger out weighs me by a lot more then 20% but I can kill 10 of them before I even need to reload. Size doesn’t matter. Point in case, a box jelly fish could kill a tiger 100% of the time. This is nothing more then his opinion. Post facts.

      Why can’t any of the pro-tiger people post a thought out, spell checked, and cited post to back up their claims?

      Google cache link to plagiarized post: http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:mDn2cVTe6eYJ:www.discovervancouver.com/forum/topic.asp%3FTOPIC_ID%3D47320%26whichpage%3D2

      Comment by N — June 6, 2006 @ 2:33 am

    80. It’s actually quoted from a site. With information listed, but Royal Leo is more then free to use it.
      http://www.angelfire.com/planet/tigeranimalfights/

      Your post made entirely no sense, it’s quoted facts sources and information. Oh an Iq 45 theres no plagerism, it’s called fact quoting, so your saying if you quote a site, its plagerism. You just made yourself out to be a complete idiot. Or per example if you took the time read the top of this blog you would see these sources written down. But your brain won’t allow you to function that much will it.

      Well the lion argument is so sad it can’t be described you all can’t even a bring a source to the table, for 4 years you copy and post some braindead girls made up site lairwebs. You tell me whose side is sad, like james above, people (lionsiders) copy and post that and angel fire links because no sources support the lion. That’s what I call sad.

      It seems most of the radically pro-lion arguments are all coming from one or two people posting with multiple names. All have the same 6-year-old writing style, bad grammar, worse spelling, coupled with overwhelming arrogance

      Comment by Fred — June 6, 2006 @ 2:55 am

    81. What are you on drugs N? Do you think by writing right, and saying you have bad grammar. Will make it seem you are even one 8th of me. Do you think by saying insults and saying grammar blah will not make me dispose of your garbage. Guess again?

      This a better source then you could ever provide for the lion.

      6)“In fights between a tiger and a lion in the wild, the tiger is usually the winner. – The Rudiments of Wisdom Encyclopedia by Tim Hunkin

      This is a better source innoramous, PBS.Org then you could ever provide.

      The tiger is a rare jewel in a treasure chest of truly spectacular Indian wildlife. When the ancient Romans set tiger against lion in the coliseum, the tiger invariably won. In some ways, the tiger is the ultimate predator. -PBS.ORG

      http://www.pbs.org/edens/bhutan/a_tiger.htm
      http://www.pbs.org/edens/bhutan/a_tiger.htm

      Comment by Fred — June 6, 2006 @ 3:04 am

    82. all these accounts have real stuff behind them
      helps me make my decision.until lionfans can produce stuff like this Im a tiger fan.

      “3)This observation was confirmed more recently in the 1950’s by a keeper in the Bronx Zoo, where a lion cub named Zambezi and a young tiger named Ranee were raised together. There occasional fights always resulted in a victory for the tiger. Alfred Martini, the keeper, described the tiger as being the better fighter, “like a clever boxer against a heavy hitter, shrewder and trickier.” (Mel and Fiona Sunquist, 2002 page 287
      4)“When the ancient Romans set tiger against lion in the Coliseum, the tiger invariably won…” – The Living Edens
      5)“ The lion is a less active animal than the tiger, and apparently not so powerful; in every case of a fight between the two in a menagerie the tiger has invariably killed his opponent.” (Referring to the Asiatic lion) (pg. 212) – Big Game Shooting by Clive Phillipps- Wolley
      6)“In fights between a tiger and a lion in the wild, the tiger is usually the winner. – The Rudiments of Wisdom Encyclopedia by Tim Hunkin
      7)They have accidentally gotten into each otherÂ’s cages, and the tiger has killed the lion. As regard to their comparative courage in the presence of man, all evidence is in favor of the tiger. Yet the poets nearly always insist on having it the other way.
      10)“In the Middle Ages a few lions were kept in European menageries in Germany, England France and Italy. The best known of these early zoological collections was one belonging to Henry I of England that was eventually moved to the Tower of London, where it remained until 1840. Occasionally lions where forced to fight tigers, but apparently the tigers always won.” – Wild Cats of the World by Mel and Fiona Sunquist “

      Comment by Rob — June 6, 2006 @ 3:10 am

    83. also lions donot have stronger forequarters. Tigers have stronger forequarters and hindquarters and thats a fact.to blog manager i dont know where you got that from

      Comment by Rob — June 6, 2006 @ 3:33 am

    84. Fred, you copy-pasted from an Angelfire page without citing, that’s plagiarism. Second your source was an Angelfire site. To quote YOU a few posts ago, “WHat encounters have you read, angel fire sites, made up lairwebs, tripods … provide a real source.” Yet you plagiarize from Angelfire. That is funny to me.

      Lets get down to the nitty gritty thou. Back to that list, line item style.

      “3)This observation was confirmed more recently in the 1950’s by a keeper in the Bronx Zoo, where a lion cub named Zambezi and a young tiger named Ranee were raised together. There occasional fights always resulted in a victory for the tiger. …”

      Two animals raised in captivity, together, without ever learning to fight or hunt in a natural setting. They sit in a cage their whole life. How is this even comparable to wild animals that have been hunting and fighting since they where born? These animal’s physical condition, environment, and education exclude them from being considered ‘normal’ tigers/lions. What does it prove about the species? Nothing.

      “4)“When the ancient Romans set tiger against lion in the Coliseum, the tiger invariably won…” – The Living Edens”

      This is ancient hear-say. Hear-say is not scientific fact.

      “5)“ The lion is a less active animal than the tiger, and apparently not so powerful; in every case of a fight between the two in a menagerie the tiger has invariably killed his opponent.” (Referring to the Asiatic lion) (pg. 212) – Big Game Shooting by Clive Phillipps- Wolley”

      A menagerie, for those of you scratching your head, is a zoo for exotic animals. The author of the comment was, I believe, politely referring to the Korean cage matches.

      http://video3.shooshtime.com/vids/6d0e27d7a222cf82b5d6dfe1b6fd15c7_010806_tigervslion.wmv

      That one video is enough evidence to refute his claim. I don’t think the author did his homework. Unless you want me to keep his quote in context that it only pretended to Asiatic lions. In that case he is referencing just one breed, not the whole species. Either way, point refuted.

      “6)“In fights between a tiger and a lion in the wild, the tiger is usually the winner. – The Rudiments of Wisdom Encyclopedia by Tim Hunkin”

      Bahahahha… you mean THIS encyclopedia? http://www.rudimentsofwisdom.com/ That’s right, you cited a CARTOON encyclopedia. Before I wet myself laughing I’ll check the credentials of the author. From the site’s ‘about us’ page, “Tim Hunkin trained as an engineer, but then became a cartoonist, drawing the Rudiments of Wisdom for the Observer newspaper for 14 years.” You cite a cartoon encyclopedia drawn by an engineer turned cartoonist as fact. Ha. Ha. Ha. He even has a disclaimer on the site saying, “The information on this site is presented as an informative entertainment. By using this site you agree that you will not base any decisions purely on the information found here.”

      “7)They have accidentally gotten into each otherÂ’s cages, and the tiger has killed the lion. As regard to their comparative courage in the presence of man, all evidence is in favor of the tiger. Yet the poets nearly always insist on having it the other way.”

      First, they were caged so not free to fight. We know nothing of the conditions, environment, or how a 400 lb cat can “accidentally” get into another’s cage. On top of that stupidity there is no citation to check against. This proves nothing.

      “10)“In the Middle Ages a few lions were kept in European menageries in Germany, England France and Italy. The best known of these early zoological collections was one belonging to Henry I of England that was eventually moved to the Tower of London, where it remained until 1840. Occasionally lions where forced to fight tigers, but apparently the tigers always won.” – Wild Cats of the World by Mel and Fiona Sunquist “”

      This is the most notable out of the bunch, but wrong. The Tower Menagerie was closed in 1831-2, not 1840. (source – http://www.tower-of-london.org.uk/webcode/content.asp?ID=553) The collection at that time had 4 lions and one tiger. The Zoological Society of London has not fought lions and tigers.

      Insult me all you want, your sources are Angelfire and a cartoon encyclopedia. Insult me all you want, your sources are Angelfire and a cartoon encyclopedia. All have been refuted. A lion tiger fight is a toss of the coin.

      Comment by N — June 6, 2006 @ 6:07 am

    85. Tiger wins in my opinion. Facts seem to support this

      Comment by Dark Hyena — June 6, 2006 @ 6:30 am

    86. LMAO A GNU BULL WOULD DEFEAT A ENTIRE LIONPRIDE IN SECONDS

      Comment by Gnu Bull — June 6, 2006 @ 8:29 am

    87. A LEOPARD FEMALE COULD MAKE SHORT WORK OF A MALE LION AS WELL

      Comment by Gnu Bull — June 6, 2006 @ 8:30 am

    88. LIONS ARE NOTHING BUT SHIT
      TIGER OWNS ALL

      Comment by Gnu Bull — June 6, 2006 @ 8:31 am

    89. *

      Comment by Dark Hyena — June 6, 2006 @ 8:32 am

    90. NO *

      Comment by Gnu Bull — June 6, 2006 @ 8:34 am

    91. DARKHYENA DON'T START WITH ME YOU *

      Comment by Gnu Bull — June 6, 2006 @ 8:35 am

    92. I’M GONNA DESTROY ALL LIONS IN AFRICA THIS SUMMER

      Comment by Gnu Bull — June 6, 2006 @ 8:36 am

    93. * I'll let your brain figure that one out. Who do you think made that site, to keep track of facts and videos? *. You are so behind it's funny no it's not plagerism to post facts, like the top of this site.

      3)This observation was confirmed more recently in the 1950’s by a keeper in the Bronx Zoo, where a lion cub named Zambezi and a young tiger named Ranee were raised together. There occasional fights always resulted in a victory for the tiger. Alfred Martini, the keeper, described the tiger as being the better fighter, “like a clever boxer against a heavy hitter, shrewder and trickier.” (Mel and Fiona Sunquist, 2002 page 287
      4)“When the ancient Romans set tiger against lion in the Coliseum, the tiger invariably won…” – The Living Edens
      5)“ The lion is a less active animal than the tiger, and apparently not so powerful; in every case of a fight between the two in a menagerie the tiger has invariably killed his opponent.” (Referring to the Asiatic lion) (pg. 212) – Big Game Shooting by Clive Phillipps- Wolley
      6)“In fights between a tiger and a lion in the wild, the tiger is usually the winner. – The Rudiments of Wisdom Encyclopedia by Tim Hunkin
      7)They have accidentally gotten into each otherÂ’s cages, and the tiger has killed the lion. As regard to their comparative courage in the presence of man, all evidence is in favor of the tiger. Yet the poets nearly always insist on having it the other way.
      10)“In the Middle Ages a few lions were kept in European menageries in Germany, England France and Italy. The best known of these early zoological collections was one belonging to Henry I of England that was eventually moved to the Tower of London, where it remained until 1840. Occasionally lions where forced to fight tigers, but apparently the tigers always won.” – Wild Cats of the World by Mel and Fiona Sunquist “

      Comment by fred — June 6, 2006 @ 3:41 pm

    94. CHECK THE SITE I USE TO KEEP TRACK. THERES A MESSAGE FOR YOU.
      CHECK UNDER THE FIRST PICK N OF THE SITE TO KEEP INFORMATION LISTED.

      http://www.angelfire.com/planet/tigeranimalfights/

      *. THE INFORMATION WAS GATHERED BY BOOKS ETC SOURCES. I JUST HAPPENED TO MAKE A SITE FOR THE MEANTIME TO KEEP INFORMATION TOGETHER. *

      Comment by N — June 6, 2006 @ 3:48 pm

    95. An you known what Im tired of you lionfan fanatics lying. All you do is lie and post edited videos. Here a tigress kills lion
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4847100431337511732&q=tigress+kills+lion

      The thing is, that tigress was not healthy, it was not in any type of condition.

      Comment by N — June 6, 2006 @ 3:53 pm

    96. Hey N i have a question. Explain how an asian lion getting almost mauled to death by a bengal tiger male, while a little female young tiger plays no role. So basically a tiger mauls a lion to smitherines where it wont recover. Do you consider it a lion victory because the lion didnt die? I’m confused on that one. Also that doesnt havea source to go with it either. It’s an event. The article where the tiger kills the lions is documented happened and the truth.

      Comment by Brandon — June 6, 2006 @ 3:56 pm

    97. Heres another video of a tigress killing a lion.
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4919219172705875656

      Comment by Brandon — June 6, 2006 @ 3:58 pm

    98. Why is there even a debate? It’s
      obious that no lion on earth can compete with the largest Indian Bengals, Siberian Tigers, and Nepal Tigers. etc. When it comes down to it, no lion can compete with the top tigers. No lion on earth could beat a Nepal Tiger like this.

      http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/7757/267020606104sa.png

      Comment by Jackson — June 6, 2006 @ 4:06 pm

    99. Hey blog author, is there no moderation here or are you going to let Fred post misleading comments with my name? Maybe it’s time for an IP ban.

      As for Fred, You don’t even make sense half the time so it’s hard to figure out what you are trying to say. You seem to have dodged my response to your list of “facts” completely and just flamed me. This was predictable behavior. It seems everyone else that was seriously discussing the topic left days ago.

      Comment by N — June 6, 2006 @ 4:07 pm

    100. Rob brings up a good point. Scientific research actually says a tiger stand higher at the shoulder. A Lion was measured from the its foot heel up the slanted part. Even simba only stood 44 inches. At the shoulders tigers are taller then lions. At the shoulders, research findings. The larger tigers will stand 46 inches. There is no advantage for the lion. A tiger stand taller at the shoulders.

      Comment by Jackson — June 6, 2006 @ 4:10 pm

    101. *
      *. You don't make sense at all, it's quoting sources, like the top of this blog. Once you owned yourself to be a lost person. You seem like a 4 year old, with your laughable plagerism comment. Lord behold your on this site 24/7 watching it. It's quite clear your cat mostly maxine from lairwebs. Because nobody cares this much, and I do what can as a force, to battle the seemly endless biased lionfan fanatics. Who cares as much as you Cat about this subject. There are no tiger fans that care. All I'm doing, is trying slow down you lying fanatics. Like this a blog, and you think of it that much.

      You have to be Cat trying to spread bs, serious dicussion. This comments for a blog, what serious discussion was going on. You had a young interested fan sam, and a bunch of nazi diehard liar lionfans. I am fan of both animals, but I will not sit back and let a group freaks, try to destroy one through lies.

      Comment by Lewis — June 6, 2006 @ 4:18 pm

    102. I mean where do all you lion nazis come from, it’s like your endless. I like both animals, but you nazis and its always Cat, and I know you have characters you’ve created as well. But seriously, every site you nazis go to. It seems theres a breed of lionfans and have poison in them into care so much about the subject. Just tiger hater pricks, I’ve noticed this. Get a life Golden bear you been on 40 sites, the same with the rest you. Notice there are no diehard tigerfans. Im a fan of both animals dont label me. But why is there is so many Lion diehard nazis in the subject. Unbelieveable.

      Comment by Lewis — June 6, 2006 @ 4:22 pm

    103. Tiger wins for me. It’s bigger stronger faster.

      The larger cat will prevail.

      Comment by Drew — June 6, 2006 @ 4:26 pm

    104. Brandon, your video is out of a 1933 movie named The Big Cage so you are seeing an edited version of the fight. In the clip from the movie no one beast has killed the other. In fact the tiger doesn’t even have a good hold on the lion at the end, just skin. There are lots of rumors about it being a real fight and there are sites that say the tiger won and other sites that say the lion won. I’ve found no site authoritative enough to trust. Either way it’s a Hollywood movie complete with quick action cut scenes. Neither cat is dead at the end.

      Comment by N — June 6, 2006 @ 4:32 pm

    105. Stop making excuses N its clear 2 lions died in this vid…
      The first was by that bars that was a separate fight, obious that lion died. The second lion later died.

      2 lions died , no sites say lionwon.
      just losers like you make up sites stating that.
      2 dead lions not gonna change

      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4919219172705875656

      Comment by Brandon — June 6, 2006 @ 4:35 pm

    106. This lion ends up dead. this different lion.
      The other lion laters dies at the end.

      http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/2264/th23qq.jpg
      http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/2264/th23qq.jpg
      http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/2264/th23qq.jpg

      Comment by Brandon — June 6, 2006 @ 4:37 pm

    107. This lion differnet it doesnt make it.
      The one at end doesnt either.

      http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/2264/th23qq.jpg

      Comment by Brandon — June 6, 2006 @ 4:38 pm

    108. This lion differnet it doesnt make it.
      The one at end doesnt either

      http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/2264/th23qq.jpg

      Comment by Brandon — June 6, 2006 @ 4:39 pm

    109. The tiger has the skull and critically wounds the lion.
      Apparent you havent see the other version.

      http://media.putfile.com/b-61

      The lion is grabbed by the skull face. is killed

      You havent seen the other version

      Comment by Brandon — June 6, 2006 @ 4:42 pm

    110. An its a tigress in the big cage, the lions are massive to her.
      What does that tell you a
      Male tiger at 450 plus will do to any lion.

      Comment by Brandon — June 6, 2006 @ 4:44 pm

    111. Wow, 3 posts in 5 minutes. You tiger freaks are out for blood. Either way you obviously care more about this topic then I. so I’ll digress to a more civil forum. Have fun.

      Comment by N — June 6, 2006 @ 4:46 pm

    112. Dont let the door hit you on the way out N. ahahahaha

      Comment by Brandon — June 6, 2006 @ 5:17 pm

    113. .

      People may have commented in others' name, but WordPress doesn't provide any means (not that I know of) to stop that automatically. If you think that someone else has posted in your name please mail me, I'll do an IP check and edit/delete comments.

      Please don't abuse anyone or make any slanderous comments

      ~ Blog Moderator

      .

      Comment by Raja — June 6, 2006 @ 5:29 pm

    114. brandon a male lion will own any tiger, every video i have seen shows the tiger running away as the male lion is owning

      Comment by john — June 6, 2006 @ 8:56 pm

    115. face it the male lion owns the tiger

      Comment by john — June 6, 2006 @ 8:57 pm

    116. gnu bull ur an idiot

      lion hunt gnu bulls moron, and gnu bulls run like pansies when lion show up moron

      also female leopard kills lion lol thats why leopards, flee into trees to escape lions, watch predators at war moron, a lioness chases like 4 hyenas off then climbs into a tree and owns a large male leopard, and takes his kill, considering a lioness owns a large male leopard, a male lion would destroy a male or female leopard in like 20 seconds

      Comment by john — June 6, 2006 @ 9:33 pm

    117. and im gonna destroy all gnus this summer, ill dart them then feed them to the lions, then ur stupid gnus will try to run away but theres no escape, then the lions will tear the gnu apart

      Comment by john — June 6, 2006 @ 9:35 pm

    118. ill put a male lion vs a male leopard, and the male lion will destroy a male leopard in seconds

      then ill take a gnu and feed it to the male lion

      Comment by john — June 6, 2006 @ 9:36 pm

    119. john a male tiger will own any lion, every video i have seen shows the lion running away as the male tiger is owning

      Comment by Brandon — June 6, 2006 @ 10:07 pm

    120. face it the male tiger owns the any lion

      Comment by Brandon — June 6, 2006 @ 10:08 pm

    121. Comment by Brandon — June 6, 2006 @ 10:09 pm

    122. ill put a male tiger at 450 an above vs any male leopard, and the male tiger will destroy any lion in seconds by overpowering it and delivering a fatal bite.

      then ill take a gaur and feed it to the tiger

      Comment by Brandon — June 6, 2006 @ 10:11 pm

    123. Cretins no life chuckling losers from ae invaded this blog. Now it is clustered with stupidity.

      Comment by What ashame — June 6, 2006 @ 11:18 pm

    124. tiger destroys lion in seconds, that is the most biast statement i have ever heard

      ok lets agree on one thing tigers and lions own leopards

      but anyway read roman literature, face it the lion owned the tiger, and i dont kno what videos u are watching, but the ones i saw resulted in the tiger running away, or the lion killing the tiger

      Comment by john — June 6, 2006 @ 11:30 pm

    125. ur just ,making up stuff i could say the same things about the tiger, because the video just ends abruptly, so i could say the tiger later died from its injuries

      Comment by john — June 6, 2006 @ 11:31 pm

    126. This observation was confirmed more recently in the 1950’s by a keeper in the Bronx Zoo, where a lion cub named Zambezi and a young tiger named Ranee were raised together. There occasional fights always resulted in a victory for the tiger. Alfred Martini, the keeper, described the tiger as being the better fighter, “like a clever boxer against a heavy hitter, shrewder and trickier.” (Mel and Fiona Sunquist, 2002 page 287
      4)“When the ancient Romans set tiger against lion in the Coliseum, the tiger invariably won…” – The Living Edens
      5)“ The lion is a less active animal than the tiger, and apparently not so powerful; in every case of a fight between the two in a menagerie the tiger has invariably killed his opponent.” (Referring to the Asiatic lion) (pg. 212) – Big Game Shooting by Clive Phillipps- Wolley
      6)“In fights between a tiger and a lion in the wild, the tiger is usually the winner. – The Rudiments of Wisdom Encyclopedia by Tim Hunkin
      7)They have accidentally gotten into each otherÂ’s cages, and the tiger has killed the lion. As regard to their comparative courage in the presence of man, all evidence is in favor of the tiger. Yet the poets nearly always insist on having it the other way.
      10)“In the Middle Ages a few lions were kept in European menageries in Germany, England France and Italy. The best known of these early zoological collections was one belonging to Henry I of England that was eventually moved to the Tower of London, where it remained until 1840. Occasionally lions where forced to fight tigers, but apparently the tigers always won.” – Wild Cats of the World by Mel and Fiona Sunquist

      Comment by calvin — June 6, 2006 @ 11:36 pm

    127. what does that video prove, half of the videos, u edited so they only showed half of it, like the gir forest one where the tiger was killed by the lion

      also that dog was was a lion cub, it was 6 months old lol

      same with the buffalo one, in fact the buffalo one three lionesses actullay chase of the buffalo when they see the buffalo treeing the sub adult, same with the gnu that was a sub adult, so based on what i have read and seen i have come to a conclusion that the lion owns the tiger

      Comment by john — June 6, 2006 @ 11:37 pm

    128. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6902311227603109690&q=tiger&pl=true
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4701009336110724831&q=tigress&pl=true
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4103817393208209134&q=tigress&pl=true
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7514014921351757812&q=tigress&pl=true
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4847100431337511732&q=tigress&pl=true
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6902311227603109690&q=tigress&pl=true
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5263553036807695991&q=tiger+vs+lion&pl=true
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1372882387110365632&q=tiger+vs+lion&pl=true
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3080386436334376889&q=leopard&pl=true

      Comment by calvin — June 6, 2006 @ 11:39 pm

    129. dogs are terrified of adult male lion look

      At one point, the trainer was in with the lions and had been grooming them. She had in her hand a big tuft of lion fur, like you would pull out of a dog brush. I wanted to feel it and Ben asked the woman if we could have it. I was kind of thrilled about having this lion fur and thought it would make a nice souvenir/relic for me — sort of a little piece of lion nobility to keep with me. So I stuffed it in my pocket.

      When we got home, the dogs immediately started sniffing at the offending pocket. No surprise there. I took out the fur and showed it to them. They sniffed VERY INTENSELY. Still no surprise there. Then, Ilka put her ears back and started visibly shaking with nervousness. She started slinking around the house as if terrified, sniffing everywhere and growling low. It was as if she was convinced she was going to die!

      Tovarisch continued to sniff at the fur, eyeing me closely as if for an explanation. When none was forthcoming he too began to sniff around, growling, ears back. Neither one of them would come near the fur and if I brought it towards them, they would bark or growl, slinking backwards, in absolute defense position. After awhile, Ilka got curious again and would come forward to sniff at it, then would dash away. T remained in his favorite corner and refused to come out, even for a treat. Finally, to stop them from freaking out, I put the fur away. That wasn’t enough. I then put it inside a sealed plastic baggie and put that baggie inside three more sealed plastic baggies. But they still seemed to smell it. After putting it outside and washing my hands they improved.

      http://www.westworld.com/~ben-levy/lions.html

      Comment by john — June 6, 2006 @ 11:39 pm

    130. “She started slinking around the house as if terrified, sniffing everywhere and growling low. It was as if she was convinced she was going to die!

      lol right here moron

      “Tovarisch continued to sniff at the fur, eyeing me closely as if for an explanation. When none was forthcoming he too began to sniff around, growling, ears back. Neither one of them would come near the fur and if I brought it towards them, they would bark or growl, slinking backwards, in absolute defense position.”

      Comment by john — June 6, 2006 @ 11:40 pm

    131. “After awhile, Ilka got curious again and would come forward to sniff at it, then would dash away.”

      “she wouldnt even go near the fur thats how scared she was”

      Comment by john — June 6, 2006 @ 11:40 pm

    132. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6902311227603109690&q=tiger&pl=true
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4701009336110724831&q=tigress&pl=true
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4103817393208209134&q=tigress&pl=true
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7514014921351757812&q=tigress&pl=true
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4847100431337511732&q=tigress&pl=true
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6902311227603109690&q=tigress&pl=true
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5263553036807695991&q=tiger+vs+lion&pl=true
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1372882387110365632&q=tiger+vs+lion&pl=true
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3080386436334376889&q=leopard&pl=true
      .

      Comment by calvin. — June 6, 2006 @ 11:42 pm

    133. see that just tells me how desperate tiger fans are, they post a videos, that are edited to only show the part where the tiger is winning, how about u post the whole video so u can see ur great tiger running away

      also wow ur showing a bunch of videos of sub adult lion one where a dog attacks a 6 month old lion cub wow amazing, same with the buffalo that was a sub adult

      also that gnu that chased the lion was chasing a a sub adult lion , as lions[adults] frequently kill gnus

      Comment by john — June 6, 2006 @ 11:42 pm

    134. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6902311227603109690&q=tiger&pl=true
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4701009336110724831&q=tigress&pl=true
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4103817393208209134&q=tigress&pl=true
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7514014921351757812&q=tigress&pl=true
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4847100431337511732&q=tigress&pl=true
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6902311227603109690&q=tigress&pl=true
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5263553036807695991&q=tiger+vs+lion&pl=true
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1372882387110365632&q=tiger+vs+lion&pl=true
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3080386436334376889&q=leopard&pl=true

      Comment by jake — June 6, 2006 @ 11:43 pm

    135. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6902311227603109690&q=tiger&pl=true
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4701009336110724831&q=tigress&pl=true
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4103817393208209134&q=tigress&pl=true
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7514014921351757812&q=tigress&pl=true
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4847100431337511732&q=tigress&pl=true
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6902311227603109690&q=tigress&pl=true
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5263553036807695991&q=tiger+vs+lion&pl=true
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1372882387110365632&q=tiger+vs+lion&pl=true
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3080386436334376889&q=leopard&pl=true

      000000

      Comment by jake — June 6, 2006 @ 11:44 pm

    136. “Lions feed on a variety of large and medium-size prey. They prefer wildebeast (or gnu) to all others when the annual migration brings the vast herds through the pride’s range. Otherwise they eat buffalo, zebra, antelope, giraffe, and warthogs. They also steal kills and carrion from other predators.”

      http://www.oaklandzoo.org/atoz/azlion.html

      look at this

      Comment by john — June 6, 2006 @ 11:50 pm

    137. so wow showing a lion cub getting attacked from by a dog, look at that web site i posted all dogs are afraid of adult male lions. male lions just terrify them

      Comment by john — June 6, 2006 @ 11:51 pm

    138. so im sorry but dogs are afraid of male lions

      Comment by john — June 6, 2006 @ 11:52 pm

    139. The tiger has a longer body, and is usually more powerful in the back legs, having evolved this way for great speed and unmatched leaping power. The lion evolved primarily for fighting, with a larger head and more power in the forequarters. Paradoxically this has made him a poor predator.

      http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/conflict8.html

      It seems obvious that there are a small number of tigers out there which are superior fighters to the lion, but across the majority of the animals, the lion would probably indeed be the King of the Beasts. The ultimate conclusion is up to the reader, and this article seeks not to give you a definite answer, only something to ponder on. Perhaps the final comment should come from animal trainer Louis Roth, who once said he had “seen enough fights to conclude that none of the theories is accurate; sometimes a lion would win, sometimes a tiger”.

      It seems obvious that there are a small number of tigers out there which are superior fighters to the lion, but across the majority of the animals, the lion would probably indeed be the King of the Beasts. The ultimate conclusion is up to the reader, and this article seeks not to give you a definite answer, only something to ponder on. Perhaps the final comment should come from animal trainer Louis Roth, who once said he had “seen enough fights to conclude that none of the theories is accurate; sometimes a lion would win, sometimes a tiger”.

      http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/conflict8.html

      sorry but the majority of the fights the lion won

      Comment by john — June 6, 2006 @ 11:57 pm

    140. The first documents an event set up to entertain a prince. The fight took place in the pit of a palace compound with the entire encounter being recorded.

      The film showed that the tiger was at an immediate disadvantage. Tigers use a throat grip as their primary means of killing and the lion’s thick protective mane prevented the tiger gaining a hold on the throat joint. On the other hand, the tiger had no special protection, so was vulnerable to attack.

      In this fight, the tiger was killed.

      The second piece of film dates back to the 1930s and is still under investigation by this site. The documentary owner has yet to view more than a few portions of it and until the film can be converted to a more easily viewed format little more progress can be made on reviewing this piece.

      As far as can be ascertained, the film was taken during an expedition to capture some tigers in the Gir region of India. Again, the tiger was the loser

      and thats an asiatic lion which is smaller and less aggressive than an african, so an african would definately own a tiger

      Comment by john — June 6, 2006 @ 11:59 pm

    141. There was a great deal of lion and tiger pit fighting held in Korea until 1960. Historic reports say the lion was found very difficult to beat, again due to the head protection afforded by the mane. The film mentioned on the previous page has the tiger as the winner, but this fight would seem to be only one of many that were carried out, and all other reports found, to date, say the lion usually won.

      Despite the final appearance given by the movie, tigers were largely unsuccessful in the gladiatorial area. Lions were more popular as they put on an excellent fight display, whereas tigers were surprisingly reluctant to enter into battle. Placed in with lions, the tigers would often simply retreat.

      http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/conflict5.html

      Comment by john — June 7, 2006 @ 12:00 am

    142. Expert opinion is that the modern male lion has no equal in the cat world when it comes to his fighting ability.

      Lions evolved as fighters. Among the pride, their primary job is to protect their females from marauding males who would assume control of the pride and kill any cubs. As a result, the male lion spends the great majority of his time in combat situations. Nature has supported the lion in this, with the evolution of a thick heavy mane for added protection and to intimidate.

      Moreover, in any fight with a tiger, the lion would have the backing of the entire pride, though it should be noted that pride defence is almost entirely the job of the male lion, and not often assisted by the lionesses.

      Tamer Dave Hoover once commented: “Lions are the troublemakers, the most dangerous. When the public sees the cats, they always think the tiger is the worst, because a tiger looks bad. He looks sneaky. But, the male lion of the big cats is the worst. The male lion has a pride. He’s in charge of a group of females until another male lion runs him off. It could be its own son. But the female lion is under domination. She may make the kill. The male lion comes down to eat, and then the females can eat. It doesn’t work that way in humans, but it does work that way in animals.”

      Seated next to a tiger, the lion is composed. The tiger, on the other hand, is usually nervous and apprehensive.

      The tiger does not seem to have the lion’s capacity for calm analysis and appraisal. This puts him at a disadvantage in a fight with a lion.”

      Beatty recalled his experience with a lion named “Sultan the First” who once took on every tiger in his act and defeated them one after another.

      “It was an amazing performance since my entire entourage consisted of big, young powerful animals. So these were not pushovers that Sultan defeated. This remarkable lion, feinting like a clever boxer and making his opponents miss, would then send the off-balance enemy sprawling across the arena with a tremendous clout.”

      The well-known Clyde Beatty film, “The Big Cage”, documents a circus on the verge of bankruptcy. Beatty’s attempted performance erupted into a shocking fight which was recorded on film.

      In the story, Beatty tames the cats and continues in the tradition of ‘the show must go on’. Privately Beatty admitted even he had no possible hope of separating the big cats and the lion went on to maul the tiger to death.

      For over 50 years the scene was thought by viewers to be a well-staged dramatic scene, but is now recognised as a documentary showing an actual killing.

      http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/conflict7.html

      so im sorry if i believe a tiger site that claims that lions usually killed tigers, then ur home made videos, showing SUB ADULT LIONS losing to a buffalo and a gnu, when Adult lion frequently attack and kill gnus, and in groups cape buffalo, so post a adult lion and gnu interaction, and i assure u it will result in the gnus death

      Comment by john — June 7, 2006 @ 12:04 am

    143. gnu

      (n) or wildebeest (wĭl´dbēst´´) , large African antelope, genus Connochaetes. Its heavy head and humped shoulders resemble those of a buffalo, while the compact hindquarters are like those of a horse. The gnu has a beard, a short, erect mane, and a long, flowing tail. Members of both sexes have large horns that curve down, outward, and up. Gnus are grazing animals and live in herds on open grassland. They constantly move in an effort to locate new pastures. The sight of a gnu migration, with its distinctive style of movement, is perhaps the most impressive group event in the animal kingdom. There are two species. The brindled gnu, or blue wildebeest (Connochaetes taurinus), is a large, fierce-looking animal of S and E Africa. It stands 41⁄2 ft (135 cm) high at the shoulder and weighs about 500 lb (225 kg); its coat is bluish-gray mottled with brown on the sides. The tail, mane, and beard are black. In the northern variety of this species (called the white-bearded gnu), which ranges as far N as Kenya, the beard is white. The brindled gnu lives in herds of 20 to several thousand individuals, often led by one or several old females and often found grazing with herds of zebra. Gnus are swift runners and herds engage in elaborate evasive maneuvers when threatened; their chief predator is the LION. They graze in the morning and evening, resting during the heat of the day; they often travel long distances in search of water. The white-tailed gnu, or black wildebeest (C. gnou), is a somewhat smaller animal once abundant in S Africa. It is now probably extinct in the wild, but is protected in parks and reserves, where its numbers are increasing. Gnu is the San (Bushman) term for these animals; wildebeest is Afrikaans. Gnus are classified in the phylum Chordata, subphylum Vertebrata, class Mammalia, order Artiodactyla, family Bovidae.

      http://education.yahoo.com/reference/encyclopedia/entry/gnu

      lion frequently kill gnus

      Comment by john — June 7, 2006 @ 12:13 am

    144. To say a large male tiger destroys lion in seconds. Follows history, going buy sources. It’s called following history. I go by logic and i sat down, I read the roman times, i read the body structure of the animals, i read the results from top of the line sources. Clearly stated lion didnt stand a chance.

      The only videos that are edited are from others. Im a fan of both animals I just have to play god against you freak lion nazis as stated. The edited videos are The gir forest, Tigress didnt die, its captive pitfight i can tell you that.

      The tigress doesnt die in the gir forest Grizzlyman.
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6855604478943965296&q=no+death

      The tigress and tiger clearly win the majority here.

      What do you not want to see is those tigers at everland get mad. Because there adult male bengal and siberian tigers. Thats why they look to take on a pride, and throw a lion down like nothing. Because there male tigers.

      There also was a report from everland where a tiger killed a lion, another lion was paraylsed by a tiger. These are large male tigers at everland. They dont play, they dont play games with lions. These are what you call large male tigers.

      A lion doesnt have a chance against a large male tiger. none whatsoever

      The only videos that where edited came from lionfanatics.

      Lions gets owned every video. Whether its the oppoent or result, it shows like everland in south korea a lion would get absolutey destroyed against a young healthy large male tiger.

      Comment by Brandon — June 7, 2006 @ 12:18 am

    145. Yes Grizzlyman You are a spammer congradulations.

      Comment by Brandon — June 7, 2006 @ 12:22 am

    146. “3)This observation was confirmed more recently in the 1950’s by a keeper in the Bronx Zoo, where a lion cub named Zambezi and a young tiger named Ranee were raised together. There occasional fights always resulted in a victory for the tiger. Alfred Martini, the keeper, described the tiger as being the better fighter, “like a clever boxer against a heavy hitter, shrewder and trickier.” (Mel and Fiona Sunquist, 2002 page 287
      4)“When the ancient Romans set tiger against lion in the Coliseum, the tiger invariably won…” – The Living Edens
      5)“ The lion is a less active animal than the tiger, and apparently not so powerful; in every case of a fight between the two in a menagerie the tiger has invariably killed his opponent.” (Referring to the Asiatic lion) (pg. 212) – Big Game Shooting by Clive Phillipps- Wolley
      6)“In fights between a tiger and a lion in the wild, the tiger is usually the winner. – The Rudiments of Wisdom Encyclopedia by Tim Hunkin
      7)They have accidentally gotten into each otherÂ’s cages, and the tiger has killed the lion. As regard to their comparative courage in the presence of man, all evidence is in favor of the tiger. Yet the poets nearly always insist on having it the other way.
      10)“In the Middle Ages a few lions were kept in European menageries in Germany, England France and Italy. The best known of these early zoological collections was one belonging to Henry I of England that was eventually moved to the Tower of London, where it remained until 1840. Occasionally lions where forced to fight tigers, but apparently the tigers always won.” – Wild Cats of the World by Mel and Fiona Sunquist “

      Comment by Brandon — June 7, 2006 @ 12:24 am

    147. whats sad is a tigress nor a tiger(you must be on crack if you think a male will ever run)

      But never has it run in any video.

      The minute 130 so called gir forest, it was edited the tigress in the fight never runs. Royal_leo just made it seem that way.

      The title royal royal get a clue grizzlyman, i think that showed how strong a tiny tigress is. The male lion was reluctant to fight in that fight. The tigress won that fight. Definitely for the strength she exzibited thats a tigress victory.

      3 jjim the lion is killed. Throatbite and what you saw edited the lion runs other direction

      4 stock footage garbage mixed together.

      Comment by brandon — June 7, 2006 @ 12:36 am

    148. No dogs seem to have no fear of lions. Natural. No fear what soever.

      Comment by brandon — June 7, 2006 @ 12:38 am

    149. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2350723694252545958
      Gir Forest Lion Fights Tiger (both wild animals)
      This is Lion-Tiger Fight. 1930. Castle Films (originally 16mm film).

      The Asiatic lion and bengal tiger ends up in the same hunter pit by chance. The Lion goes on to kill the male tiger. This is the only fight recorded on tape in wild that has wild lion and wild tiger fighting each other. Tiger was killed.

      Jajuan Taylor is a lying boy
      First this is a male tiger because all the pages say that
      Second the report say the tiger was killed
      http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c56/Lioness_2005/5.jpg

      Comment by ZZZZZ — June 7, 2006 @ 3:24 am

    150. You known what’s sad as I face Thousands of a lionfan fanatics united lionking groupy freaks, It makes it all worth while the sole soldier supporting the tiger, Ive left thousands in the dust, crippled and ran over, gasping for breathe. AN if any of you all had any type of honor, you say wow, that man is fighting over a million people and winning, do I really just want to be another groupy to him. I think not.

      Anyways no Goldenbear/zzzzzz The lion doesnt even really harm the tigress. Shes fine owned.

      Heres 2 vids of tigress mauling male lions to death.

      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4919219172705875656&q=tigress+kills+lion

      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4847100431337511732&q=tigress+kills+lion

      Comment by American Lion — June 7, 2006 @ 4:04 am

    151. You known what’s sad as I face Thousands of a lionfan fanatics united lionking groupy freaks, It makes it all worth while the sole soldier supporting the tiger, Ive left thousands in the dust, crippled and ran over, gasping for breathe. AN if any of you all had any type of honor, you say wow, that man is fighting over a million people and winning, do I really just want to be another groupy to him. I think not..

      Anyways no Goldenbear/zzzzzz The lion doesnt even really harm the tigress. Shes fine owned.

      Heres 2 vids of tigress mauling male lions to death.

      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4919219172705875656&q=tigress+kills+lion

      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4847100431337511732&q=tigress+kills+lion

      Comment by Alfonso — June 7, 2006 @ 4:04 am

    152. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4847100431337511732&q=tigress+kills+lion

      “A Captive Bengal Tigress is throw into a manmade pit with a captive Male lion, with cameraman and cameras set up everywhere to film every angle from every side of the fight. The tigress proceeds to kill the male lion in the fight. There are many wildfights filmed of the 2 beasts fighting. However this is not one. The Male lion was killed in this fight.”

      Comment by Alfonso — June 7, 2006 @ 4:08 am

    153. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4919219172705875656&q=tigress+kills+lion

      The well known Clyde Beatty film The Big Cage is a circus on bankruptcy. Beatty’s attempted performance erupted into a fight which was recorded.

      The truth is, if you look into it. The fight was on purpose and forced. It was all about money, and ask the proper people, and you’ll find out, several Clyde Beatty where staged “meaning set up”, real fights just staged to happen. Not even jabbing a sharp pointed stick into the tigresses side could save the lion. The tigress goes on to maul the male lion to death.

      This has always been a real fight, how could it be fake. It has always been reconized as a killing of a tigress killing a male lion. Yah it was a well staged scene. I mean they had to get the tigress and the male lion to fight. Of course it was staged, all Clyde Beattys fights where staged. It’s always been reconized as a movie with no rules in 1933, where a tigress kills a male lion.

      Comment by Alfonso — June 7, 2006 @ 4:10 am

    154. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6855604478943965296&q=tigress+no+death

      “This yes is the Gir Forest fight. The full thing is 16mm, alot of you all may have seen the prank shown, much like the big cage lie, where the tigress almost kills the male lion, and reports(real reports) say the lion went on to die. In the Gir Forest the whole thing is 9 minutes long in length. The tigress does not die in anyway shape or form. The tigress pushes off the Male lion as the video gos on, she then starts resting after she pushes the Male lion off of her. The Tigress is alive alert, and well.The Tigress is barely injured, the tigress pushed the male lion off with her paw. The lion backs off, the tigress proceeds to circle 2 twice, and drop to the ground tired and exhausted. The male lion is now backed off of her. They then pull her out of the pit while she alive and moving. An also make no mistake about it, this is a pit fight. An the lairwebs link is completely inaccurate and full of false, biased, and misleading information. The tigress actually about kills the lion in the big cage. An by no shape or form does the tigress even get seriously injured in the gir forest fight. Yes there are 2 wild fights, that due exist in stock footage, I can tell you that.But By no means has a lion ever killed a tigress or tiger on film, but a tiger has killed a lion 3 times I might add.”

      Comment by Alfonso — June 7, 2006 @ 4:13 am

    155. tiger 6/10.

      How ya doing, Mr. Jajuan Taylor?
      Are ya gonna join da Discovery forums?
      We need gangsta entertainers…

      Comment by Constable Ernest Gates — June 7, 2006 @ 2:07 pm

    156. PEople on this site need to understand about male tigers.
      Aggressive large male tigers from northern nepal and northern india
      and siberian tigers.

      From these videos of lions having trouble with very much smaller tigresses, you must be lost to think it will compete with the real deal male tigers. Weve seen male lions in these videos, the best i might add, big african lion males, now i just saw in those new videos those are males. An with you ever see a lion take a large male tiger healthy ready to fight, call me. Because I will be the most shocked person on earth.

      Because I bet anyone a million dollars, that no lion on earth could come near a 480 plus male healthy young good looking male tiger.

      Forget about it, if there was a contest i am so confident the tiger would crush lion 10/10 times word cant describe.

      An you know whats funny is that I know you lionfans wouldnt confindence. I am right. Am i right. Because if you saw these small tigresses and unhealthy small tigers do this to lions. An these lions are huge. CHrist big male african lions.

      You really would like to see a lion go up against a large male tiger healthy, young athletic.

      You have to be kidding me.

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 4:33 pm

    157. wat are u talking about moron someone on predator pit posted the extended version of the fight, her name was lioness 2006 and the lion owned the tigress while the tiger sat watching

      u didnt read anything, because if u did u stupid tiger fans wouldnt be talking u kno y because the lion is roman ages and now adays owned the tiger

      face it if u gonna say lion/ lioness owns tiger

      Comment by john — June 7, 2006 @ 4:51 pm

    158. wat are u talking about idiot in the big cage video the lion wentr on to maul the tiger to death, read my post idiot read the web site dogs are scared of male lions

      but then again tigers are also along with dogs afraid of male lions

      Comment by john — June 7, 2006 @ 4:53 pm

    159. and there was also evidence that on a particular british exploration in gir, an asiatic lion killed a bengal tiger, lol picture wat an african lion would do it would own a tiger

      also There was a great deal of lion and tiger pit fighting held in Korea until 1960. Historic reports say the lion was found very difficult to beat, again due to the head protection afforded by the mane. The film mentioned on the previous page has the tiger as the winner, but this fight would seem to be only one of many that were carried out, and all other reports found, to date, say the lion usually won.

      Despite the final appearance given by the movie, tigers were largely unsuccessful in the gladiatorial area. Lions were more popular as they put on an excellent fight display, whereas tigers were surprisingly reluctant to enter into battle. Placed in with lions, the tigers would often simply retreat.

      http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/conflict5.html

      Comment by john — June 7, 2006 @ 4:55 pm

    160. another fight took place in a russian circus between a male tiger and a lioness, the tiger was owning the lioness, when the male lion came over and attacked the tiger, the fight went on for ten minutes and eventually the
      lion killed the tiger

      Comment by john — June 7, 2006 @ 4:56 pm

    161. Beatty recalled his experience with a lion named “Sultan the First” who once took on every tiger in his act and defeated them one after another.

      “It was an amazing performance since my entire entourage consisted of big, young powerful animals. So these were not pushovers that Sultan defeated. This remarkable lion, feinting like a clever boxer and making his opponents miss, would then send the off-balance enemy sprawling across the arena with a tremendous clout.”

      The well-known Clyde Beatty film, “The Big Cage”, documents a circus on the verge of bankruptcy. Beatty’s attempted performance erupted into a shocking fight which was recorded on film.

      In the story, Beatty tames the cats and continues in the tradition of ‘the show must go on’. Privately Beatty admitted even he had no possible hope of separating the big cats and the lion went on to maul the tiger to death.

      http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/conflict5.html

      Comment by john — June 7, 2006 @ 4:56 pm

    162. jungle jim the tiger gets owned and runs away idiot

      Comment by john — June 7, 2006 @ 4:58 pm

    163. ur the spammer jujan taylor, face it the tiger loses, it retreats, even the biast koreans said the lion owns the tiger

      Comment by john — June 7, 2006 @ 5:00 pm

    164. um wat do u call the gir forest video the asiatic lion killed the male bengal tiger

      also big cage the lion killed the tiger

      also the russuian circus the lion killed the tiger

      Comment by john — June 7, 2006 @ 5:01 pm

    165. Dear kids, please refrain from the use of profane language.
      I am a criminal investigator and I am here in my capacity as a law enforcer!

      Comment by Constable Ernest Gates — June 7, 2006 @ 5:02 pm

    166. what are u talking about lioness 2006 posted that everland extended video on predator pit and the lion owned the tigress and the tiger just watched

      Comment by john — June 7, 2006 @ 5:03 pm

    167. Who is it kingdobe? Linx? Grizzlyman14? Come on spammer, dont be scared/ come on boy to be scared geek. A spammer, please you dont phase me. Come on quit being scared, ya talk behind my back, but fact is when it comes to saying stuff my face you hind. How typical.

      u didnt read anything, because if u did u stupid lion fans wouldnt be talking u kno y because the tiger is roman ages and now adays owned the lion

      face it if u gonna say tiger/tigress owns the lion

      deal with it

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 5:03 pm

    168. In my opinion, tigers have a slight advantage.

      So, Jajuan Taylor = Tiger
      Be very careful, he is a gangsta from Houston!

      Comment by Constable Ernest Gates — June 7, 2006 @ 5:04 pm

    169. This observation was confirmed more recently in the 1950’s by a keeper in the Bronx Zoo, where a lion cub named Zambezi and a young tiger named Ranee were raised together. There occasional fights always resulted in a victory for the tiger. Alfred Martini, the keeper, described the tiger as being the better fighter, “like a clever boxer against a heavy hitter, shrewder and trickier.” (Mel and Fiona Sunquist, 2002 page 287
      4)“When the ancient Romans set tiger against lion in the Coliseum, the tiger invariably won…” – The Living Edens
      5)“ The lion is a less active animal than the tiger, and apparently not so powerful; in every case of a fight between the two in a menagerie the tiger has invariably killed his opponent.” (Referring to the Asiatic lion) (pg. 212) – Big Game Shooting by Clive Phillipps- Wolley
      6)“In fights between a tiger and a lion in the wild, the tiger is usually the winner. – The Rudiments of Wisdom Encyclopedia by Tim Hunkin
      7)They have accidentally gotten into each otherÂ’s cages, and the tiger has killed the lion. As regard to their comparative courage in the presence of man, all evidence is in favor of the tiger. Yet the poets nearly always insist on having it the other way.
      10)“In the Middle Ages a few lions were kept in European menageries in Germany, England France and Italy. The best known of these early zoological collections was one belonging to Henry I of England that was eventually moved to the Tower of London, where it remained until 1840. Occasionally lions where forced to fight tigers, but apparently the tigers always won.” – Wild Cats of the World by Mel and Fiona Sunquist

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 5:04 pm

    170. My dear Mr.Tiger/Jajuan, please try to show some respect to a police officer!

      Comment by Constable Ernest Gates — June 7, 2006 @ 5:05 pm

    171. Tigers everland dominate the lions. Lioness_2006 didnt post anything linx, the full korean tigress lion fight was posted in 2004. That little thing was from kinestherapy. The tigers dominate the hell out of the lions at everland.

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 5:05 pm

    172. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4919219172705875656&q=tigress+kills+lion

      The well known Clyde Beatty film The Big Cage is a circus on bankruptcy. Beatty’s attempted performance erupted into a fight which was recorded.

      The truth is, if you look into it. The fight was on purpose and forced. It was all about money, and ask the proper people, and you’ll find out, several Clyde Beatty where staged “meaning set up”, real fights just staged to happen. Not even jabbing a sharp pointed stick into the tigresses side could save the lion. The tigress goes on to maul the male lion to death.

      This has always been a real fight, how could it be fake. It has always been reconized as a killing of a tigress killing a male lion. Yah it was a well staged scene. I mean they had to get the tigress and the male lion to fight. Of course it was staged, all Clyde Beattys fights where staged. It’s always been reconized as a movie with no rules in 1933, where a tigress kills a male lion.

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 5:06 pm

    173. Check out this website:

      http://www.bigcatrescue.org/tiger_photos.htm

      Comment by Constable Ernest Gates — June 7, 2006 @ 5:07 pm

    174. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4847100431337511732&q=tigress+kills+lion

      “A Captive Bengal Tigress is throw into a manmade pit with a captive Male lion, with cameraman and cameras set up everywhere to film every angle from every side of the fight. The tigress proceeds to kill the male lion in the fight. There are many wildfights filmed of the 2 beasts fighting. However this is not one. The Male lion was killed in this fight.”

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 5:08 pm

    175. Oh an John most likely LInx, ya i think hes linx. Stop posting no source sites, your posting nothing. Im trained for spammers, and spamming spammers donot phase me, so don’t try. You want to come to a blog and spam it because, you all are like vultures overthere looking at me. You don’t phase me.

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 5:09 pm

    176. Wow John a lion played with a tigress at everland, where the mate to make ligers, wow John really did a lion play with a tigress, its all to the good theres no fighting there. But When a male tiger thinks serious enough. Hell get up and slam the living daylights out of the lion, when he thinks hes messing with a tigress like so. 2 reports of dead lions from everland ill post them. An no the lil tiny tigress in the clip swung on him, said come and catch. Cat playing, this however linx is not playing spammer. THis is a male tiger getting mad.

      http://media.putfile.com/Tiglr

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 5:12 pm

    177. Guys, I have a suggestion: why don’t ya compare the intelligence of the two cats.
      There are many different fascinating aspects of the big cats’ behavior..

      Comment by Constable Ernest Gates — June 7, 2006 @ 5:13 pm

    178. um wat do u call the gir forest video the bengal tigress was fine and she almost killed the male lion
      also big cage the tigress killed 2 lions and injured another lion badly.

      also 500 documented events the tigress and tiger kill the lion

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 5:15 pm

    179. In 1865 in birmingham zoo a female tigers kills a male lion.

      “c1865 Female tiger kills male lion in Birmingham zoo”

      OWNED

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 5:19 pm

    180. 1963 publication somehow vouches for tiger’s superiority. Unclear if it is discussing an actual incident or merely a theory.

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 5:23 pm

    181. SO OBIOUSLY ITS A DOCUMENTED THAT A TIGRESS CAN KILL A MALE LION AND THE VIDEOS BACK THAT UP. NEXT.

      “1963 publication somehow vouches for tiger’s superiority. Unclear if it is discussing an actual incident or merely a theory”

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 5:24 pm

    182. So your the spammer linx/kingdobe/possiblylioness_2006 herself/grizzlyman14 face it the lion loses, it retreats, the koreans worship the tiger because it destroys the lion in pit fights and anywhere.

      There claims are backed up when the lions at everland take an absolute beating from the tigers.

      Koreans pick the best fighter, and right now at everland park tells the world who dominant beast is. Because everland has lost 2 lions to tigers, the tigers have injured lions badly, and the tigers absolutely just pound the lions relentlessly. JUst no mercy.

      Thats why koreans warship the tiger.

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 5:34 pm

    183. Jjim title, the tigres kills the lion with a throat bite, and she won what was shown, she hits him gets on her back tries a throat bite that way. a male lion ran in the other direction from a tigress get real

      Jjim the tigress kills the lions and leaves his body for the insects.

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 5:36 pm

    184. WATCH THIS THE TIGRESS KILLS THE LION JUNGLE JIM YOUR LOST CONFUSED BRAIN FRYED. CLICK LINK BELOW. YOU KNOW NOTHING.

      http://media.putfile.com/Truth-36

      http://media.putfile.com/tiggg
      http://media.putfile.com/Tiger-owns-male-lion

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 6:03 pm

    185. http://media.putfile.com/Truth-36

      http://media.putfile.com/tiggg
      http://media.putfile.com/Tiger-owns-male-lion

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 6:04 pm

    186. http://media.putfile.com/Truth-36

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 6:05 pm

    187. first of its grizzlyman14 idiot, second off the big cage the lion won and the lion mauled the tiger to death

      in the alabama zoo the seperated the lion and the tiger, because the lion injured the tigers hind leg

      the lion in the russian circus killed a tiger

      the gir forest the lion killed the tiger

      and the korean fight the lions dominated

      ask lioness 2006 their was an extended fight on predator pit moron

      Comment by john — June 7, 2006 @ 9:58 pm

    188. at jordan zoo a 200kg male lion throttled a 130kg tigress while the male tiger watched

      Comment by john — June 7, 2006 @ 9:59 pm

    189. The first documents an event set up to entertain a prince. The fight took place in the pit of a palace compound with the entire encounter being recorded.

      The film showed that the tiger was at an immediate disadvantage. Tigers use a throat grip as their primary means of killing and the lion’s thick protective mane prevented the tiger gaining a hold on the throat joint. On the other hand, the tiger had no special protection, so was vulnerable to attack.

      In this fight, the tiger was killed.

      The second piece of film dates back to the 1930s and is still under investigation by this site. The documentary owner has yet to view more than a few portions of it and until the film can be converted to a more easily viewed format little more progress can be made on reviewing this piece.

      As far as can be ascertained, the film was taken during an expedition to capture some tigers in the Gir region of India. Again, the tiger was the loser.

      There was a great deal of lion and tiger pit fighting held in Korea until 1960. Historic reports say the lion was found very difficult to beat, again due to the head protection afforded by the mane. The film mentioned on the previous page has the tiger as the winner, but this fight would seem to be only one of many that were carried out, and all other reports found, to date, say the lion usually won.

      Despite the final appearance given by the movie, tigers were largely unsuccessful in the gladiatorial area. Lions were more popular as they put on an excellent fight display, whereas tigers were surprisingly reluctant to enter into battle. Placed in with lions, the tigers would often simply retreat.

      Comment by john — June 7, 2006 @ 10:00 pm

    190. Seated next to a tiger, the lion is composed. The tiger, on the other hand, is usually nervous and apprehensive.

      The tiger does not seem to have the lion’s capacity for calm analysis and appraisal. This puts him at a disadvantage in a fight with a lion.”

      Beatty recalled his experience with a lion named “Sultan the First” who once took on every tiger in his act and defeated them one after another.

      “It was an amazing performance since my entire entourage consisted of big, young powerful animals. So these were not pushovers that Sultan defeated. This remarkable lion, feinting like a clever boxer and making his opponents miss, would then send the off-balance enemy sprawling across the arena with a tremendous clout.”

      The well-known Clyde Beatty film, “The Big Cage”, documents a circus on the verge of bankruptcy. Beatty’s attempted performance erupted into a shocking fight which was recorded on film.

      In the story, Beatty tames the cats and continues in the tradition of ‘the show must go on’. Privately Beatty admitted even he had no possible hope of separating the big cats and the lion went on to maul the tiger to death.

      For over 50 years the scene was thought by viewers to be a well-staged dramatic scene, but is now recognised as a documentary showing an actual killing.

      http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/conflict7.html

      Comment by john — June 7, 2006 @ 10:04 pm

    191. Yah I read your comments. “anyway i would just ignore any person like this because their just so biast its humorious ” you know it funny grizzlyman14 come to a blog, a simple blog with few users, invite a hundred idiots to the blog.

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 10:04 pm

    192. ur the moron who got baned off a web site for spamming idiot, no one takes u seriously read roman literature the lion dominated

      It seems obvious that there are a small number of tigers out there which are superior fighters to the lion, but across the majority of the animals, the lion would probably indeed be the King of the Beasts. The ultimate conclusion is up to the reader, and this article seeks not to give you a definite answer, only something to ponder on. Perhaps the final comment should come from animal trainer Louis Roth, who once said he had “seen enough fights to conclude that none of the theories is accurate; sometimes a lion would win, sometimes a tiger”.

      http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/conflict8.html
      male lion owns all cats

      Comment by john — June 7, 2006 @ 10:06 pm

    193. So are you going to keep your own word and shut your mouth, and spamming blog, or are your going be a dillusion hypocrite, coming from the childish loser brainless forums.

      Nope tigress destroyed the male lion in the big cage.

      Is fine in the totally staged and fixed so called gir forest. In which she never ran, just clever edited out of the 25 minute film

      Oh so now tigress kills 2 male lions.

      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6004671146345360755

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 10:09 pm

    194. No your spamming who cannot come near intelligence you have spammed this blog, most people wouldnt even deal you.

      This observation was confirmed more recently in the 1950’s by a keeper in the Bronx Zoo, where a lion cub named Zambezi and a young tiger named Ranee were raised together. There occasional fights always resulted in a victory for the tiger. Alfred Martini, the keeper, described the tiger as being the better fighter, “like a clever boxer against a heavy hitter, shrewder and trickier.” (Mel and Fiona Sunquist, 2002 page 287
      4)“When the ancient Romans set tiger against lion in the Coliseum, the tiger invariably won…” – The Living Edens
      5)“ The lion is a less active animal than the tiger, and apparently not so powerful; in every case of a fight between the two in a menagerie the tiger has invariably killed his opponent.” (Referring to the Asiatic lion) (pg. 212) – Big Game Shooting by Clive Phillipps- Wolley
      6)“In fights between a tiger and a lion in the wild, the tiger is usually the winner. – The Rudiments of Wisdom Encyclopedia by Tim Hunkin
      7)They have accidentally gotten into each otherÂ’s cages, and the tiger has killed the lion. As regard to their comparative courage in the presence of man, all evidence is in favor of the tiger. Yet the poets nearly always insist on having it the other way.
      10)“In the Middle Ages a few lions were kept in European menageries in Germany, England France and Italy. The best known of these early zoological collections was one belonging to Henry I of England that was eventually moved to the Tower of London, where it remained until 1840. Occasionally lions where forced to fight tigers, but apparently the tigers always won.” – Wild Cats of the World by Mel and Fiona Sunquist

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 10:10 pm

    195. do you have a brain grizzlyman14? You post a lairweb made up childish a hundred times a spam and make lies and stories. The idiot is you, and be lucky your behind a computer screen.

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 10:11 pm

    196. Tigress/tigers destroy male lions.

      http://media.putfile.com/Truth-36

      http://media.putfile.com/tiggg
      http://media.putfile.com/Tiger-owns-male-lion

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 10:12 pm

    197. at jordan zoo a 200kg male tiger throttled a 150kg lion while everyone watched.

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 10:13 pm

    198. .
      http://media.putfile.com/Truth-36

      http://media.putfile.com/tiggg
      http://media.putfile.com/Tiger-owns-male-lion

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 10:14 pm

    199. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4847100431337511732&q=tigress+kills+lion

      “A Captive Bengal Tigress is throw into a manmade pit with a captive Male lion, with cameraman and cameras set up everywhere to film every angle from every side of the fight. The tigress proceeds to kill the male lion in the fight. There are many wildfights filmed of the 2 beasts fighting. However this is not one. The Male lion was killed in this fight.” /

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 10:15 pm

    200. An do you and linx have lioness_2006 tatued to your shoulder. She never posted anything. We all have seen the tigress korean fight 5 minutes and 7 seconds. 14 year old blah blah blah kid.

      the tiger in the russian circus killed the lion

      the gir forest the tigress killed the lion

      and the korean fight the TIGERS dominated

      GRIZZLYMAN14 YOU HAVE NO SOURCES WHATSOVER FOR ANYTHING. YOUR AN EMBARRASSMENT SPAMMER.

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 10:17 pm

    201. http://media.putfile.com/Tiger-owns-male-lion

      This is what happen if a lion faced a male tiger. Genuine male tiger.

      OH AND KOREANS CHOSE THE SUPERIOR FIGHTER, ITS WHOSE THE BEST FIGHTER, THEY CHOSE TO WARSHIP THE TIGER, BECAUSE ITS THE BEST FIGHTER.

      INFACT I CAN BRING TOP OF THE LINE SOURCES, THAT IN CAPTIVITY A TIGER KILLS A LION EVERYTIME, ALONG WITH 35,000 EVENTS.

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 10:20 pm

    202. “tigress owns male lion 10/10″

      Grizzlyman14 who said that, you must have said that. Your not quite humerous your a spammer. I support a particular animal, due to not enough support. A large male tiger would kill a lion 95 to a 100% of the time. I have sources, i have read, I have asked big cat trainers, got email responces.

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 10:23 pm

    203. Sorry Alfonso but in Gir forest the MALE tiger was killed. Alfonso and Tiger your videos are only Jajuan Taylor’s pathetic lying.
      Alfonso responds this question
      Where was the lion body?
      The tiger body is here:
      http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c56/Lioness_2005/5.jpg
      The tiger’s back badly damaged from the lion’s vice-like jaws.

      And Tiger, the Jungle Jim (don’t jjim) tiger finally runs away
      http://media.putfile.com/jungle-jim-lion-tiger-fight

      Comment by ZZZZZ — June 7, 2006 @ 10:24 pm

    204. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4919219172705875656&q=tigress+kills+lion
      /
      The well known Clyde Beatty film The Big Cage is a circus on bankruptcy. Beatty’s attempted performance erupted into a fight which was recorded.

      The truth is, if you look into it. The fight was on purpose and forced. It was all about money, and ask the proper people, and you’ll find out, several Clyde Beatty where staged “meaning set up”, real fights just staged to happen. Not even jabbing a sharp pointed stick into the tigresses side could save the lion. The tigress goes on to maul the male lion to death.

      This has always been a real fight, how could it be fake. It has always been reconized as a killing of a tigress killing a male lion. Yah it was a well staged scene. I mean they had to get the tigress and the male lion to fight. Of course it was staged, all Clyde Beattys fights where staged. It’s always been reconized as a movie with no rules in 1933, where a tigress kills a male lion.

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 10:25 pm

    205. http://media.putfile.com/tiggg

      http://media.putfile.com/Tigerowns

      http://media.putfile.com/tigr

      http://media.putfile.com/Tiger-vs-Lion-2

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 10:27 pm

    206. http://media.putfile.com/tiggg

      http://media.putfile.com/Tigerowns

      http://media.putfile.com/tigr

      http://media.putfile.com/Tiger-vs-Lion-2
      ….

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 10:28 pm

    207. http://media.putfile.com/tiggg

      http://media.putfile.com/Tigerowns

      http://media.putfile.com/tigr

      http://media.putfile.com/Tiger-vs-Lion-2
      ……………………………………………………..

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 10:29 pm

    208. no sorry moron a large male lion will own any tiger 8/10 times, also moron

      at jordon zoo the male lion destroyed the tigeress and the male tiger watched

      the koreans whos national animal is the tiger, admitted that unfortunately the male lion owns the tiger, the big cage resulted in the tigers demise moron

      russian circus the lion killed the tiger

      dont forget alabama zoo the lion owned the tiger their

      read my post scientists have concluded the lion is a superior fighter and would most likely win

      Comment by john — June 7, 2006 @ 10:33 pm

    209. Mr tiger=Jajuan Taylor
      JAJAJA

      Comment by ZZZZZ — June 7, 2006 @ 10:35 pm

    210. greg mendel a well known bioliogist, supports the lion over the tiger, so does steven mills a well known TIGER bioliogist, and he supports the lion over the tiger

      Comment by john — June 7, 2006 @ 10:39 pm

    211. lol yeah that pussy jajuan would touch me i kill his ass

      Comment by john — June 7, 2006 @ 10:39 pm

    212. http://spectrum.buffalo.edu/article.php?id=15157

      There were other stuff that they did not show,” said Woodward. “It was inappropriate though, it was some old footage where they threw a tiger and a lion into a pit. The lion was more dominant while the tiger just gave up. None of the cats were interested in finishing the other off.”

      Comment by john — June 7, 2006 @ 10:43 pm

    213. http://spectrum.buffalo.edu/article.php?id=15157

      Overall, both experts agreed upon the outcome of the simulated battle.

      “Because I know so much on lions and tigers, I agree. But the Discovery Channel made the fight seem much closer than it was, to make it more enticing,” said Woodward.

      Mendel said he believes a real life fight between the cats would have similar results.

      “Although lions and tigers are anatomically virtually the same, male lions regularly fight to attain and maintain pride females. Such fighting is often to the death. Tigers fight, but rarely to the death,” said Mendel. “I suspect that male lions on average would be more aggressive and persistent than male tigers, hence would prevail.”

      Comment by john — June 7, 2006 @ 10:43 pm

    214. no sorry moron a large male tiger will own any lion 8/10 times, also moron

      at jordon zoo the male tiger destroyed the lion (oh i mean everland park where the 2 lions have been killed by tigers, and many injured, not jordan zoo)

      the koreans whos national animal is the tiger, admitted that unfortunately the male tiger owns the lion, the big cage resulted in the lions demise moron

      russian circus the tiger kills the lion

      dont forget alabama zoo the tiger owned the lion their

      read my post scientists have concluded the tiger is a superior fighter and would most likely win

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 10:44 pm

    215. yeah that pussy grizzlman14 would touch me i would smash your skull and brains all over a brick wall

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 10:46 pm

    216. No actually im not jajuan taylor. I dont even know em.

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 10:46 pm

    217. c1900 Trainers account mentions tiger attacking male lion and killing him quickly (according to Clyde Beatty)

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 10:48 pm

    218. c1957 Tiger kills a lion in a circus

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 10:49 pm

    219. 1830 fight in the London tower. Male lion enters enclosure of male tiger and young female tiger. Lion is badly mauled but survives

      c1865 Female tiger kills male lion in Birmingham zoo

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 10:50 pm

    220. Clyde Beatty actually says he knows of cases of tigers fighting off several lions at once and emerging from the fight unharmed. One sumatran tiger named Chester fought off seven lions at once and only incurred slight injuries. The bengal tiger Rex was apparently also more than a match for lions that attacked him even when he was outnumbered.

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 10:53 pm

    221. Thats nelson mendal in the marketing campaign to the market the lion to sell to viewers. He his opinion is meaningless. What matters is big cat expert opinions, who cares his opinion is childish garbage. All of afo is flawed to seel to viewers. They said the lion is longer on afo. NO its not every source in the world tigers longer. Afo was a ploy to sell the lion.

      Even mendel now stated his undecided in the debate funny, some people i know emailed mendel his responce he actually favors the larger tiger.

      How do you explain, screenshots. Would ever give people like you the emails of some experts. No not in a life time, for one i would lose all trust.

      But the fact is afo was a kid show to market the lion

      They said a lion would 9/10 grizzly bear. Bart the bear would kill 4 male lions at once.

      ITs just tv marketing, theres no science in afo.

      ITs tv selling, they wanting everyone to like the lion, to improve there shows rating. Its all garbage.

      no scientific date whatsover

      All history points to the tiger on top.

      Period.

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 11:00 pm

    222. Thats nelson mendal in the marketing campaign to the market the lion to sell to viewers. He his opinion is meaningless. What matters is big cat expert opinions, who cares his opinion is childish garbage. All of afo is flawed to seel to viewers. They said the lion is longer on afo. NO its not every source in the world tigers longer. Afo was a ploy to sell the lion.

      Even mendel now stated his undecided in the debate funny, some people i know emailed mendel his responce he actually favors the larger tiger.

      How do you explain, screenshots. Would ever give people like you the emails of some experts. No not in a life time, for one i would lose all trust.

      But the fact is afo was a kid show to market the lion

      They said a lion would 9/10 grizzly bear. Bart the bear would kill 4 male lions at once.

      ITs just tv marketing, theres no science in afo.

      ITs tv selling, they wanting everyone to like the lion, to improve there shows rating. Its all garbage.

      no scientific date whatsover

      All history points to the tiger on top.

      Period..

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 11:00 pm

    223. http://spectrum.buffalo.edu/article.php?id=15157

      There were other stuff that they did not show,” said Woodward. “It was inappropriate though, it was some old footage where they threw a tiger and a lion into a pit. The lion was more dominant while the tiger just gave up. None of the cats were interested in finishing the other off.”

      Overall, both experts agreed upon the outcome of the simulated battle.

      “Because I know so much on lions and tigers, I agree. But the Discovery Channel made the fight seem much closer than it was, to make it more enticing,” said Woodward.

      Mendel said he believes a real life fight between the cats would have similar results.

      “Although lions and tigers are anatomically virtually the same, male lions regularly fight to attain and maintain pride females. Such fighting is often to the death. Tigers fight, but rarely to the death,” said Mendel. “I suspect that male lions on average would be more aggressive and persistent than male tigers, hence would prevail.”

      Comment by john — June 7, 2006 @ 11:18 pm

    224. Thats nelson mendal in the marketing campaign to the market the lion to sell to viewers. He his opinion is meaningless. What matters is big cat expert opinions, who cares his opinion is childish garbage. All of afo is flawed to seel to viewers. They said the lion is longer on afo. NO its not every source in the world tigers longer. Afo was a ploy to sell the lion.

      Even mendel now stated his undecided in the debate funny, some people i know emailed mendel his responce he actually favors the larger tiger.

      How do you explain, screenshots. Would ever give people like you the .emails of some experts. No not in a life time, for one i would lose all trust.

      But the fact is afo was a kid show to market the lion

      They said a lion would 9/10 grizzly bear. Bart the bear would kill 4 male lions at once.

      ITs just tv marketing, theres no science in afo.

      ITs tv selling, they wanting everyone to like the lion, to improve there shows rating. Its all garbage.

      no scientific date whatsover

      All history points to the tiger on top.

      Period..

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 11:19 pm

    225. How typical. Lionking young users, its not the animals its the users. Look at tiger fans calm normal mature. Lionfans young biased crazy bizarre. I just have taken the responsibility, of dealing with some of you all. My goodness afo and kidding me. lionfans all they have to post, you have to be kidding me. I mean a fan of both animals, but right now the tiger needs me, due to losers like john who is a 14 lionking freak along with the others. Sad really is.

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 11:21 pm

    226. Whats sadder is im a fan of both animals. An in real life situation ill congradulate both animals on there strides. But there comes a time when i see 1,000,000 people just lying and disrespecting the tiger all over, lying about it, to fuel there crazy bizarre world. Infact may be suprising how much i like the lion, but when 30,000,000 people are up the lion ass and attacking the tiger another animal i like, im forced to be sole defender.

      Where did all of you kids come? I dont know I dont care? All i know is you are all very unintelligent and physcotic. Obiously you all have watched the movie the lionking one too many times.

      I enjoy because here i am defending tiger, and at the same time i get to enjoy the lion.

      You all are crazy freaks.

      Comment by Tiger — June 7, 2006 @ 11:32 pm

    227. *

       TIGER OWNS ALL.

      TIGER IS THE WINNER.

      Comment by Bradford — June 8, 2006 @ 12:27 am

    228. TIGER WINS IN ALL THE VIDEOS.

      WHETHER ITS A TIGRESS EMBARRASSING A MALE LION.

      OR A MALE TIGER SLAMMIN A MALE LION.

      AN THEN THE THOUSANDZ OF SUPPORTERS OF THE LIONS ARE SO WEAK.

      TIGER OWNZ ALL.

      Comment by Bradford — June 8, 2006 @ 12:29 am

    229. AN NONE OF YOU ALL MAKING LION CLAIMS.

      HAVE ANYTHING TO BACK YOURSELVES UP.

      YOU JUST TALK AND TALK WITH NO BACK UP TO YOUR STATEMENTS.

      Comment by Bradford — June 8, 2006 @ 12:30 am

    230. *

      Comment by Bradford — June 8, 2006 @ 12:33 am

    231. *

      Comment by Bradford — June 8, 2006 @ 12:36 am

    232. *

      Comment by Bradford — June 8, 2006 @ 12:36 am

    233. *

      Comment by Bradford — June 8, 2006 @ 12:37 am

    234. *

      Comment by Bradford — June 8, 2006 @ 12:52 am

    235. *

      Comment by Bradford — June 8, 2006 @ 12:54 am

    236. *

      Comment by Bradford — June 8, 2006 @ 12:55 am

    237. This observation was confirmed more recently in the 1950’s by a keeper in the Bronx Zoo, where a lion cub named Zambezi and a young tiger named Ranee were raised together. There occasional fights always resulted in a victory for the tiger. Alfred Martini, the keeper, described the tiger as being the better fighter, “like a clever boxer against a heavy hitter, shrewder and trickier.” (Mel and Fiona Sunquist, 2002 page 287.
      4)“When the ancient Romans set tiger against lion in the Coliseum, the tiger invariably won…” – The Living Edens
      5)“ The lion is a less active animal than the tiger, and apparently not so powerful; in every case of a fight between the two in a menagerie the tiger has invariably killed his opponent.” (Referring to the Asiatic lion) (pg. 212) – Big Game Shooting by Clive Phillipps- Wolley
      6)“In fights between a tiger and a lion in the wild, the tiger is usually the winner. – The Rudiments of Wisdom Encyclopedia by Tim Hunkin
      7)They have accidentally gotten into each otherÂ’s cages, and the tiger has killed the lion. As regard to their comparative courage in the presence of man, all evidence is in favor of the tiger. Yet the poets nearly always insist on having it the other way.
      10)“In the Middle Ages a few lions were kept in European menageries in Germany, England France and Italy. The best known of these early zoological collections was one belonging to Henry I of England that was eventually moved to the Tower of London, where it remained until 1840. Occasionally lions where forced to fight tigers, but apparently the tigers always won.” – Wild Cats of the World by Mel and Fiona Sunquist

      Comment by Tiger — June 8, 2006 @ 1:08 am

    238. Tigress/Tiger domination

      http://media.putfile.com/tiggg

      http://media.putfile.com/Tigerowns

      http://media.putfile.com/tigr

      http://media.putfile.com/Tiger-vs-Lion-2

      http://media.putfile.com/Tiger-owns-male-lion

      Comment by Tiger — June 8, 2006 @ 1:10 am

    239. Thats nelson mendal in the marketing campaign to the market the lion to sell to viewers. He his opinion is meaningless. What matters is big cat expert opinions, who cares his opinion is childish garbage. All of afo is flawed to seel to viewers. They said the lion is longer on afo. NO its not every source in the world tigers longer. Afo was a ploy to sell the lion.

      Even mendel now stated his undecided in the debate funny, some people i know emailed mendel his responce he actually favors the larger tiger.
      .
      How do you explain, screenshots. Would ever give people like you the emails of some experts. No not in a life time, for one i would lose all trust.

      But the fact is afo was a kid show to market the lion

      They said a lion would 9/10 grizzly bear. Bart the bear would kill 4 male lions at once.

      ITs just tv marketing, theres no science in afo.

      ITs tv selling, they wanting everyone to like the lion, to improve there shows rating. Its all garbage.

      no scientific date whatsover

      All history points to the tiger on top.

      Period..

      Comment by Tiger — June 8, 2006 @ 1:40 am

    240. http://media.putfile.com/Tigerowns

      http://media.putfile.com/tigr

      http://media.putfile.com/Tiger-vs-Lion-2

      http://media.putfile.com/Tiger-owns-male-lion

      Comment by Tiger — June 8, 2006 @ 1:43 am

    241. “This observation was confirmed more recently in the 1950â?혲s by a keeper in the Bronx Zoo, where a lion cub named Zambezi and a young tiger named Ranee were raised together. There occasional fights always resulted in a victory for the tiger. Alfred Martini, the keeper, described the tiger as being the better fighter, â?혵like a clever boxer against a heavy hitter, shrewder and trickier.â?혶 (Mel and Fiona Sunquist, 2002 page 287)” . “When the ancient Romans set tiger against lion in the Coliseum, the tiger invariably won혚혬 – The Living Edens”. “The lion is a less active animal than the tiger, and apparently not so powerful; in every case of a fight between the two in a menagerie the tiger has invariably killed his opponent.혬 (Referring to the Asiatic lion) (pg. 212) . “In fights between a tiger and a lion in the wild, the tiger is usually the winner. – The Rudiments of Wisdom Encyclopedia by Tim Hunkin “. “They have accidentally gotten into each other혪s cages, and the tiger has killed the lion. As regard to their comparative courage in the presence of man, all evidence is in favor of the tiger. Yet the poets nearly always insist on having it the other way.” (pg 497) – A Handy Book of Curious Information ” . “The tiger is a rare jewel in a treasure chest of truly spectacular Indian wildlife. When the ancient Romans set tiger against lion in the coliseum, the tiger invariably won. In some ways, the tiger is the ultimate predator. -PBS.ORG” . “George Stubbs, the most famous and original animal painter of his time who was just reaching his peak in 1759, liked to display combats of lion versus tiger, though he did not commit the egregious mistake made in James Ward혪s animal pictures painted later in the century where the lion symbolizes Britain and the tiger India; in reality, as we know very clearly from the obscene animal fights staged by the Ancient Romans in the arena, the tiger would win in such a sight every time.혬 (pg. 163) – 1759: The Year Britain Became Master of the World ” . “In the Middle Ages a few lions were kept in European menageries in Germany, England France and Italy. The best known of these early zoological collections was one belonging to Henry I of England that was eventually moved to the Tower of London, where it remained until 1840. Occasionally lions where forced to fight tigers, but apparently the tigers always won.혬 – Wild Cats of the World by Mel and Fiona Sunquist” . “In 1857 a tiger at Bromwich broke into the cage of a lion and a fearful scene ensued: ‘the lions mane saved his head and neck from being much injured, but the tiger at last succeeded in ripping up his belly, and in a few minutes he was dead. -The Descent of Man, and Selection in Relation to Sex. Charles Darwin” . “Clyde Beatty actually says he knows of cases of tigers fighting off several lions at once and emerging from the fight unharmed. One sumatran tiger named Chester fought off seven lions at once and only incurred slight injuries. The bengal tiger Rex was apparently also more than a match for lions that attacked him even when he was outnumbered”

      Comment by Tiger — June 8, 2006 @ 2:15 am

    242. “In a fight between a tiger and a lion ,i surely know’s that the tiger will win,coz it is bigger,powerful, faster and beaten more dangerous animals than lion. Many amurian tigers were known to kill brown bears. the tiger also has better fighting tacnics. ”

      facinating conclusion

      Comment by Tiger — June 8, 2006 @ 5:20 am

    243. Tigresses/tigers destroying lions at everland. Whats new, the loony toone said jordan. Everyone knows its everland where lions end up dead and beaten at the hands of tigers. be prepared for even more heart break from everland.

      http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/3703/66296200411181012406jx.jpg

      http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/2481/55426200210081604421yd.jpg

      Comment by Tiger — June 8, 2006 @ 7:28 am

    244. http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/3703/66296200411181012406jx.jpg

      http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/2481/55426200210081604421yd.jpg

      Comment by Tiger — June 8, 2006 @ 7:28 am

    245. BECAUSE BART THE BEAR WEIGHS 1500LBS HE WOULD KILL 5 TIGERS AT ONCE

      HOWEVER A 500LB MALE LION WOULD OWN A 500LB GRIZZLY

      Comment by john — June 8, 2006 @ 5:08 pm

    246. DUH BART THE GRIZZLY IS 1500LBS HE QOULD KILL 5 TIGERS AT ONCE

      BUT A 500LB MALE LION WOULD OWN A 500LB GRIZZLY

      Comment by john — June 8, 2006 @ 5:09 pm

    247. AND AT JORDON ZOO THE TIGERS ARE GETTING SCREWED OVER BY THE LIONS

      http://spectrum.buffalo.edu/article.php?id=15157

      There were other stuff that they did not show,” said Woodward. “It was inappropriate though, it was some old footage where they threw a tiger and a lion into a pit. The lion was more dominant while the tiger just gave up. None of the cats were interested in finishing the other off.”

      Overall, both experts agreed upon the outcome of the simulated battle.

      “Because I know so much on lions and tigers, I agree. But the Discovery Channel made the fight seem much closer than it was, to make it more enticing,” said Woodward.

      Mendel said he believes a real life fight between the cats would have similar results.

      “Although lions and tigers are anatomically virtually the same, male lions regularly fight to attain and maintain pride females. Such fighting is often to the death. Tigers fight, but rarely to the death,” said Mendel. “I suspect that male lions on average would be more aggressive and persistent than male tigers, hence would prevail.”

      Comment by john — June 8, 2006 @ 5:10 pm

    248. ur the moron who got baned off a web site for spamming idiot, no one takes u seriously read roman literature the lion dominated

      It seems obvious that there are a small number of tigers out there which are superior fighters to the lion, but across the majority of the animals, the lion would probably indeed be the King of the Beasts. The ultimate conclusion is up to the reader, and this article seeks not to give you a definite answer, only something to ponder on. Perhaps the final comment should come from animal trainer Louis Roth, who once said he had “seen enough fights to conclude that none of the theories is accurate; sometimes a lion would win, sometimes a tiger”.

      http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/conflict8.html
      male lion owns all cats

      also There was a great deal of lion and tiger pit fighting held in Korea until 1960. Historic reports say the lion was found very difficult to beat, again due to the head protection afforded by the mane. The film mentioned on the previous page has the tiger as the winner, but this fight would seem to be only one of many that were carried out, and all other reports found, to date, say the lion usually won.

      Despite the final appearance given by the movie, tigers were largely unsuccessful in the gladiatorial area. Lions were more popular as they put on an excellent fight display, whereas tigers were surprisingly reluctant to enter into battle. Placed in with lions, the tigers would often simply retreat.

      http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/conflict5.html

      Comment by john — June 8, 2006 @ 5:11 pm

    249. Seated next to a tiger, the lion is composed. The tiger, on the other hand, is usually nervous and apprehensive.

      The tiger does not seem to have the lion’s capacity for calm analysis and appraisal. This puts him at a disadvantage in a fight with a lion.”

      Beatty recalled his experience with a lion named “Sultan the First” who once took on every tiger in his act and defeated them one after another.

      “It was an amazing performance since my entire entourage consisted of big, young powerful animals. So these were not pushovers that Sultan defeated. This remarkable lion, feinting like a clever boxer and making his opponents miss, would then send the off-balance enemy sprawling across the arena with a tremendous clout.”

      The well-known Clyde Beatty film, “The Big Cage”, documents a circus on the verge of bankruptcy. Beatty’s attempted performance erupted into a shocking fight which was recorded on film.

      In the story, Beatty tames the cats and continues in the tradition of ‘the show must go on’. Privately Beatty admitted even he had no possible hope of separating the big cats and the lion went on to maul the tiger to death.

      For over 50 years the scene was thought by viewers to be a well-staged dramatic scene, but is now recognised as a documentary showing an actual killing.
      http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/conflict5.html

      SULTAN THE FIRST OWNED LIKE 4 TIGERS AT ONCE

      ALSO THE BIG CAGE RESULTED IN THE TIGER KILING THE LION

      Comment by john — June 8, 2006 @ 5:12 pm

    250. The first documents an event set up to entertain a prince. The fight took place in the pit of a palace compound with the entire encounter being recorded.

      The film showed that the tiger was at an immediate disadvantage. Tigers use a throat grip as their primary means of killing and the lion’s thick protective mane prevented the tiger gaining a hold on the throat joint. On the other hand, the tiger had no special protection, so was vulnerable to attack.

      In this fight, the tiger was killed.

      The second piece of film dates back to the 1930s and is still under investigation by this site. The documentary owner has yet to view more than a few portions of it and until the film can be converted to a more easily viewed format little more progress can be made on reviewing this piece.

      As far as can be ascertained, the film was taken during an expedition to capture some tigers in the Gir region of India. Again, the tiger was the loser.

      There was a great deal of lion and tiger pit fighting held in Korea until 1960. Historic reports say the lion was found very difficult to beat, again due to the head protection afforded by the mane. The film mentioned on the previous page has the tiger as the winner, but this fight would seem to be only one of many that were carried out, and all other reports found, to date, say the LION USUALLY WON

      Despite the final appearance given by the movie, tigers were largely unsuccessful in the gladiatorial area. Lions were more popular as they put on an excellent fight display, whereas tigers were surprisingly reluctant to enter into battle. Placed in with lions, the tigers would often simply retreat.

      Comment by john — June 8, 2006 @ 5:13 pm

    251. FACE IT THE LION USUALLY WON OVER ANY TIGER

      Comment by john — June 8, 2006 @ 5:14 pm

    252. I MEANT THE BIG CAGE RESULTED IN THE LION KILLING THE TIGER

      The well-known Clyde Beatty film, “The Big Cage”, documents a circus on the verge of bankruptcy. Beatty’s attempted performance erupted into a shocking fight which was recorded on film.

      In the story, Beatty tames the cats and continues in the tradition of ‘the show must go on’. Privately Beatty admitted even he had no possible hope of separating the big cats and the lion went on to maul the tiger to death.

      For over 50 years the scene was thought by viewers to be a well-staged dramatic scene, but is now recognised as a documentary showing an actual killing.
      http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/conflict5.html

      Comment by john — June 8, 2006 @ 5:15 pm

    253. No actually one big male siberian tiger could take bart the bear. infact theyd stand the same height.

      No a 500 pound male grizzly bear will crush a 500 pound male lion. is all about muscle build agile and reflexes. the male lions and idiot meaning slow. a 500 pound grizzly a male lion would being serious trouble. on the other hand a tiger the way its built and its movement would kill the bear.

      Comment by Tiger — June 8, 2006 @ 5:16 pm

    254. FACE IT THE TIGER USUALLY WON OVER ANY LION

      Comment by Tiger — June 8, 2006 @ 5:17 pm

    255. “This observation was confirmed more recently in the 1950â?혲s by a keeper in the Bronx Zoo, where a lion cub named Zambezi and a young tiger named Ranee were raised together. There occasional fights always resulted in a victory for the tiger. Alfred Martini, the keeper, described the tiger as being the better fighter, â?혵like a clever boxer against a heavy hitter, shrewder and trickier.â?혶 (Mel and Fiona Sunquist, 2002 page 287)” . “When the ancient Romans set tiger against lion in the Coliseum, the tiger invariably won혚혬 – The Living Edens”. “The lion is a less active animal than the tiger, and apparently not so powerful; in every case of a fight between the two in a menagerie the tiger has invariably killed his opponent.혬 (Referring to the Asiatic lion) (pg. 212) . “In fights between a tiger and a lion in the wild, the tiger is usually the winner. – The Rudiments of Wisdom Encyclopedia by Tim Hunkin “. “They have accidentally gotten into each other혪s cages, and the tiger has killed the lion. As regard to their comparative courage in the presence of man, all evidence is in favor of the tiger. Yet the poets nearly always insist on having it the other way.” (pg 497) – A Handy Book of Curious Information ” . “The tiger is a rare jewel in a treasure chest of truly spectacular Indian wildlife. When the ancient Romans set tiger against lion in the coliseum, the tiger invariably won. In some ways, the tiger is the ultimate predator. -PBS.ORG” . “George Stubbs, the most famous and original animal painter of his time who was just reaching his peak in 1759, liked to display combats of lion versus tiger, though he did not commit the egregious mistake made in James Ward혪s animal pictures painted later in the century where the lion symbolizes Britain and the tiger India; in reality, as we know very clearly from the obscene animal fights staged by the Ancient Romans in the arena, the tiger would win in such a sight every time.혬 (pg. 163) – 1759: The Year Britain Became Master of the World ” . “In the Middle Ages a few lions were kept in European menageries in Germany, England France and Italy. The best known of these early zoological collections was one belonging to Henry I of England that was eventually moved to the Tower of London, where it remained until 1840. Occasionally lions where forced to fight tigers, but apparently the tigers always won.혬 – Wild Cats of the World by Mel and Fiona Sunquist” . “In 1857 a tiger at Bromwich broke into the cage of a lion and a fearful scene ensued: ‘the lions mane saved his head and neck from being much injured, but the tiger at last succeeded in ripping up his belly, and in a few minutes he was dead. -The Descent of Man, and Selection in Relation to Sex. Charles Darwin” . “Clyde Beatty actually says he knows of cases of tigers fighting off several lions at once and emerging from the fight unharmed. One sumatran tiger named Chester fought off seven lions at once and only incurred slight injuries. The bengal tiger Rex was apparently also more than a match for lions that attacked him even when he was outnumbered”.

      Comment by Tiger — June 8, 2006 @ 5:17 pm

    256. “It was an amazing performance since my entire entourage consisted of big, young powerful animals. So these were not pushovers that Sultan defeated. This remarkable lion, feinting like a clever boxer and making his opponents miss, would then send the off-balance enemy sprawling across the arena with a tremendous clout.”

      SULTAN OWNED MAY TIGERS AT ONCE

      Comment by john — June 8, 2006 @ 5:17 pm

    257. YOU MENTALLY RETARDED FOOL. THATS EVERLAND PARK WHERE THE TIGERS DESTROY THE LIONS RETARDO.

      Comment by Tiger — June 8, 2006 @ 5:18 pm

    258. In fights between a tiger and a lion in the wild, the tiger is usually the winner. – The Rudiments of Wisdom Encyclopedia by Tim Hunkin

      Comment by Tiger — June 8, 2006 @ 5:18 pm

    259. TIGERS AND LIONS LIVE TOGETHER AT THE SAME PARK. Everland the tigers abuse the lions, maul them, and treat them like garbage. Reinforces the koreans point.

      Comment by Tiger — June 8, 2006 @ 5:19 pm

    260. face it moron wat are u talking about a male lion is much faster than a grizzly and has stronger paw swipe than a tiger, so a male lion would beat a 500lb grizzly where as a tiger would be owned

      JORDAN ZOO THE LIONS OWNED THE TIGERS, IN KOREA THE LIONS WON ALMOST EVERY TIME FACE IT LIONS OWN TIGERS

      Comment by john — June 8, 2006 @ 5:20 pm

    261. http://media.putfile.com/tiggg

      http://media.putfile.com/Tigerowns

      http://media.putfile.com/tigr

      http://media.putfile.com/Tiger-vs-Lion-2

      http://media.putfile.com/Tiger-owns-male-lion

      http://media.putfile.com/Tiglr

      Comment by Tiger — June 8, 2006 @ 5:20 pm

    262. AND THE KOREANS SAID THE LION WOULD WIN FACE IT JORDAN ZOO THE LIONS WERE ATTACKING AND INJURING THE TIGERS

      Comment by john — June 8, 2006 @ 5:21 pm

    263. face it moron wat are u talking about a male grizzly is much faster than a male lion and lion has weaker paw swipe than a tiger, so a grizzly would beat a 500lb male lion where as a tiger would be own the bear

      WHERE DO YOU GET JORDAN IDIOT, ITS EVERLAND ZOO PIECE OF SHIT WHERE THE TIGERS DESTROY THE LIONS. CHILDISH PIECE OF DOGSHIT.

      Comment by Tiger — June 8, 2006 @ 5:22 pm

    264. AND THE KOREANS SAID THE TIGER WOULD WIN FACE IT EVERLAND PARKTHE TIGERS ATTACK AND KILL THE LIONS.

      ITS NOT JORDAN ZOO YOU GODDAMN MORON ITS EVERLAND PARK DUMBASS.

      Comment by Tiger — June 8, 2006 @ 5:23 pm

    265. LIONS HAVE STRONGER PAW SWIPES THAN TIGERS

      The tiger has a longer body, and is usually more powerful in the back legs, having evolved this way for great speed and unmatched leaping power. The lion evolved primarily for fighting, with a larger head and more power in the FOREQUATERS. Paradoxically this has made him a poor predator.

      http://jagalyst.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1149562161

      EVEN SCIENTIST SAY THE LION WILL KILL THE TIGER

      http://spectrum.buffalo.edu/article.php?id=15157

      There were other stuff that they did not show,” said Woodward. “It was inappropriate though, it was some old footage where they threw a tiger and a lion into a pit. The lion was more dominant while the tiger just gave up. None of the cats were interested in finishing the other off.”

      Overall, both experts agreed upon the outcome of the simulated battle.

      “Because I know so much on lions and tigers, I agree. But the Discovery Channel made the fight seem much closer than it was, to make it more enticing,” said Woodward.

      Mendel said he believes a real life fight between the cats would have similar results.

      “Although lions and tigers are anatomically virtually the same, male lions regularly fight to attain and maintain pride females. Such fighting is often to the death. Tigers fight, but rarely to the death,” said Mendel. “I suspect that male lions on average would be more aggressive and persistent than male tigers, hence would prevail.”

      Comment by john — June 8, 2006 @ 5:23 pm

    266. Hey john stop writing as if you have a cock in your mouth. I find it funny you all post a site where i post at the predator 2. An then you all invade and act like cocksuckers trying to annoy me. Goddamn gay ass, all the places on the web, you come here. faggot

      Comment by Tiger — June 8, 2006 @ 5:25 pm

    267. “This observation was confirmed more recently in the 1950â?혲s by a keeper in the Bronx Zoo, where a lion cub named Zambezi and a young tiger named Ranee were raised together. There occasional fights always resulted in a victory for the tiger. Alfred Martini, the keeper, described the tiger as being the better fighter, â?혵like a clever boxer against a heavy hitter, shrewder and trickier.â?혶 (Mel and Fiona Sunquist, 2002 page 287)” . “When the ancient Romans set tiger against lion in the Coliseum, the tiger invariably won혚혬 – The Living Edens”. “The lion is a less active animal than the tiger, and apparently not so powerful; in every case of a fight between the two in a menagerie the tiger has invariably killed his opponent.혬 (Referring to the Asiatic lion) (pg. 212) . “In fights between a tiger and a lion in the wild, the tiger is usually the winner. – The Rudiments of Wisdom Encyclopedia by Tim Hunkin “. “They have accidentally gotten into each other혪s cages, and the tiger has killed the lion. As regard to their comparative courage in the presence of man, all evidence is in favor of the tiger. Yet the poets nearly always insist on having it the other way.” (pg 497) – A Handy Book of Curious Information ” . “The tiger is a rare jewel in a treasure chest of truly spectacular Indian wildlife. When the ancient Romans set tiger against lion in the coliseum, the tiger invariably won. In some ways, the tiger is the ultimate predator. -PBS.ORG” . “George Stubbs, the most famous and original animal painter of his time who was just reaching his peak in 1759, liked to display combats of lion versus tiger, though he did not commit the egregious mistake made in James Ward혪s animal pictures painted later in the century where the lion symbolizes Britain and the tiger India; in reality, as we know very clearly from the obscene animal fights staged by the Ancient Romans in the arena, the tiger would win in such a sight every time.혬 (pg. 163) – 1759: The Year Britain Became Master of the World ” . “In the Middle Ages a few lions were kept in European menageries in Germany, England France and Italy. The best known of these early zoological collections was one belonging to Henry I of England that was eventually moved to the Tower of London, where it remained until 1840. Occasionally lions where forced to fight tigers, but apparently the